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Effes wrote:
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club hierarchy was still buoyed from defeating Richmond and told MM that wholesale changes wouldn't be made.


Malthouse was given license to make the changes he wanted to make; the changes he thought needed to be made - fitness people, Thomas etc.

I can see Malthouse standing by and letting the hierarchy tell him what to do with the list. :lol:



Yeah..Nah...no offense - but you obviously don't have much of a clue about how that place runs.


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DocSherrin wrote:
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club hierarchy was still buoyed from defeating Richmond and told MM that wholesale changes wouldn't be made.


Malthouse was given license to make the changes he wanted to make; the changes he thought needed to be made - fitness people, Thomas etc.

I can see Malthouse standing by and letting the hierarchy tell him what to do with the list. :lol:



Yeah..Nah...no offense - but you obviously don't have much of a clue about how that place runs.


It's very clear how the place is run.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:21 pm 
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It's very clear how the place is run.


Yep - it is - but your statement was wrong.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:32 pm 
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The place runs?

At all?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:33 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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It's very clear how the place is run.


Yep - it is - but your statement was wrong.


Stubborn Mick being bossed around. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:34 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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It's very clear how the place is run.


Yep - it is - but your statement was wrong.

we beat richmond in an eliminational final... this is our 150th
do not rock the boat.. try to get to where u got to last year and if possible win one more and finish top 4 are the instructions

this was not time to upset the apple cart

remember the circle jerk after richmond.. the board did it too. like many here
nobody paid attention to the swans game...

thats how this club works... :thumbsup:

oh mm had a clue.... but nobody listened. this was our 150th anniversary


effes mate... u need to know how things are.. not what u think they are

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:26 pm 
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GWS wrote:
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Seems to have been forgotten .
We played against a team playing the footy equivalent of "one touch possession football" in AFL.
HAWKS do it well and slaughtered Freo. Bombers are playing it and killed North and us....
The ONLY. Way to combat it is to play it back, why the bombers played so well against the Hawks.
Whatever we do...have to decide how you want to play and choose the players that suit it....if we want crash bang footy....maybe a team of Robbos is what we're looking for????

Not my thing. The one touch footy style will not really be broken....Hawks were doing it as were Geelong. Thompson has refined it a bit.....go back before you go forward...Hawks have done this for a while. Look at who they have recruited....Lake and Gibson . Players with one and only one talent...picking the flight of the ball....comparatively no skill, pace, kick with both feet, leap, etc etc....

Know what you need to do and get people who will do it.
If I see us playing "a kick to a contest" game to a team playing one touch football....I'll spew up!! Look at the game, look at the Hawks Freo game,
It's no FfFFfen rocket science .

BTW. AFter playing soccer for 40 years I can tell you....it's a strategy that will not be beaten...and has become standard in just about every other sport....


That's a good post Bill... :thumbsup:


Thanks GWS...just don't tell any of the other coaches...seem to not have worked it out :wink:

And yes AGRO...I agree with you....but that's for another thread.
I still want to see how the hell WE WILL PLAY...I haven't seen any sort of strategy....the best I've seen is some man on man stuff for about half the time, until then, it's hard to say who we still need or what sort of players we recruit.

And FFS if you put a torpedo to the centre square...you better make sure there's at least a couple if players there who will push it over the back....we've done it three times and kicked it the oppositions tallest player....WITHOUT ours being there???? Copped a goal each time.

Tearing what's left of my hair out...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:06 pm 
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billc3 wrote:
GWS wrote:
billc3 wrote:
Seems to have been forgotten .
We played against a team playing the footy equivalent of "one touch possession football" in AFL.
HAWKS do it well and slaughtered Freo. Bombers are playing it and killed North and us....
The ONLY. Way to combat it is to play it back, why the bombers played so well against the Hawks.
Whatever we do...have to decide how you want to play and choose the players that suit it....if we want crash bang footy....maybe a team of Robbos is what we're looking for????

Not my thing. The one touch footy style will not really be broken....Hawks were doing it as were Geelong. Thompson has refined it a bit.....go back before you go forward...Hawks have done this for a while. Look at who they have recruited....Lake and Gibson . Players with one and only one talent...picking the flight of the ball....comparatively no skill, pace, kick with both feet, leap, etc etc....

Know what you need to do and get people who will do it.
If I see us playing "a kick to a contest" game to a team playing one touch football....I'll spew up!! Look at the game, look at the Hawks Freo game,
It's no FfFFfen rocket science .

BTW. AFter playing soccer for 40 years I can tell you....it's a strategy that will not be beaten...and has become standard in just about every other sport....


That's a good post Bill... :thumbsup:



I still want to see how the hell WE WILL PLAY...I haven't seen any sort of strategy....the best I've seen is some man on man stuff for about half the time, until then, it's hard to say who we still need or what sort of players we recruit.

And FFS if you put a torpedo to the centre square...you better make sure there's at least a couple if players there who will push it over the back....we've done it three times and kicked it the oppositions tallest player....WITHOUT ours being there???? Copped a goal each time.



run to the wings, flanks, hug the boundary line, then center the ball hoping someone will take a power pack mark.....

its riskless boring footy...and doesnt even suit our list strengths (even Sydney dont play that way and they have Buddy, Tippet and Goodes when he is fit to run through the forward line)

I suggest people look at the last game we played in the 2013 finals. One of the most pathetic finals performances I have seen from a carlton team

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:44 pm 
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Yarran to Perth for first rounder.

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Very optimistic on both counts IMO

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:12 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
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..yes he did, and Judd nearly got his third Charlie, in fact bwuce was already tasting 'triple brownlow medallist judd' on for size midway thru the season.. ....but after four years carrying the team and getting smashed inside, we broke the Judd,, and now with Real heat on to murphos he can't mimic his form since Judd is no longer in his prime.. ..yes murphos has been injured, but prior to the injuries the cracks were showing.. .don't ever under estimate the mountain of work Judd did, and the easy ride others had because of it.. ..we shall see over the nex year or two how badly we will miss Judd.. ..hell, watch how much a cooked Judd will improve us when he returns to some form..

Judd??? How come he's not Juddles or Juddlet or Judderos or Juddeski or something?


..he's been Juddy and juddles before too, if Oscar ever dons the navy blue, he can be juddiette..

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:19 am 
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Wojee wrote:
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In private and inside the club I can tell you now that they fancied themselves against the Bombers.


I fancy myself with Christina Hendricks too, and just like Carlton v Essendon** I'd never get close to her.

You'd never get close to her for a very good reason....... or TWO very good reasons....

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billc3 wrote:
Seems to have been forgotten .
We played against a team playing the footy equivalent of "one touch possession football" in AFL.
HAWKS do it well and slaughtered Freo. Bombers are playing it and killed North and us....
The ONLY. Way to combat it is to play it back, why the bombers played so well against the Hawks.
Whatever we do...have to decide how you want to play and choose the players that suit it....if we want crash bang footy....maybe a team of Robbos is what we're looking for????

Not my thing. The one touch footy style will not really be broken....Hawks were doing it as were Geelong. Thompson has refined it a bit.....go back before you go forward...Hawks have done this for a while. Look at who they have recruited....Lake and Gibson . Players with one and only one talent...picking the flight of the ball....comparatively no skill, pace, kick with both feet, leap, etc etc....

Know what you need to do and get people who will do it.
If I see us playing "a kick to a contest" game to a team playing one touch football....I'll spew up!! Look at the game, look at the Hawks Freo game,
It's no FfFFfen rocket science .

BTW. AFter playing soccer for 40 years I can tell you....it's a strategy that will not be beaten...and has become standard in just about every other sport....



This forum is not one for football knowledge, it's for blaming Sticks and the board.

They control our coach and his game plan!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:46 am 
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Will anything really change?Too many vested interests here. Not optimistic in the short term, or long term for that matter.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:27 am 
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redback wrote:
billc3 wrote:
Seems to have been forgotten .
We played against a team playing the footy equivalent of "one touch possession football" in AFL.
HAWKS do it well and slaughtered Freo. Bombers are playing it and killed North and us....
The ONLY. Way to combat it is to play it back, why the bombers played so well against the Hawks.
Whatever we do...have to decide how you want to play and choose the players that suit it....if we want crash bang footy....maybe a team of Robbos is what we're looking for????

Not my thing. The one touch footy style will not really be broken....Hawks were doing it as were Geelong. Thompson has refined it a bit.....go back before you go forward...Hawks have done this for a while. Look at who they have recruited....Lake and Gibson . Players with one and only one talent...picking the flight of the ball....comparatively no skill, pace, kick with both feet, leap, etc etc....

Know what you need to do and get people who will do it.
If I see us playing "a kick to a contest" game to a team playing one touch football....I'll spew up!! Look at the game, look at the Hawks Freo game,
It's no FfFFfen rocket science .

BTW. AFter playing soccer for 40 years I can tell you....it's a strategy that will not be beaten...and has become standard in just about every other sport....



This forum is not one for football knowledge, it's for blaming Sticks and the board.

They control our coach and his game plan!

Oops sorry ;)

Can't say I was impressed by Stick's video either. ...very chringeworthy as soon as he started taking about membership.


redback wrote:
billc3 wrote:
Seems to have been forgotten .
We played against a team playing the footy equivalent of "one touch possession football" in AFL.
HAWKS do it well and slaughtered Freo. Bombers are playing it and killed North and us....
The ONLY. Way to combat it is to play it back, why the bombers played so well against the Hawks.
Whatever we do...have to decide how you want to play and choose the players that suit it....if we want crash bang footy....maybe a team of Robbos is what we're looking for????

Not my thing. The one touch footy style will not really be broken....Hawks were doing it as were Geelong. Thompson has refined it a bit.....go back before you go forward...Hawks have done this for a while. Look at who they have recruited....Lake and Gibson . Players with one and only one talent...picking the flight of the ball....comparatively no skill, pace, kick with both feet, leap, etc etc....

Know what you need to do and get people who will do it.
If I see us playing "a kick to a contest" game to a team playing one touch football....I'll spew up!! Look at the game, look at the Hawks Freo game,
It's no FfFFfen rocket science .

BTW. AFter playing soccer for 40 years I can tell you....it's a strategy that will not be beaten...and has become standard in just about every other sport....



This forum is not one for football knowledge, it's for blaming Sticks and the board.

They control our coach and his game plan!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:34 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
billc3 wrote:
GWS wrote:
billc3 wrote:
Seems to have been forgotten .
We played against a team playing the footy equivalent of "one touch possession football" in AFL.
HAWKS do it well and slaughtered Freo. Bombers are playing it and killed North and us....
The ONLY. Way to combat it is to play it back, why the bombers played so well against the Hawks.
Whatever we do...have to decide how you want to play and choose the players that suit it....if we want crash bang footy....maybe a team of Robbos is what we're looking for????

Not my thing. The one touch footy style will not really be broken....Hawks were doing it as were Geelong. Thompson has refined it a bit.....go back before you go forward...Hawks have done this for a while. Look at who they have recruited....Lake and Gibson . Players with one and only one talent...picking the flight of the ball....comparatively no skill, pace, kick with both feet, leap, etc etc....

Know what you need to do and get people who will do it.
If I see us playing "a kick to a contest" game to a team playing one touch football....I'll spew up!! Look at the game, look at the Hawks Freo game,
It's no FfFFfen rocket science .

BTW. AFter playing soccer for 40 years I can tell you....it's a strategy that will not be beaten...and has become standard in just about every other sport....


That's a good post Bill... :thumbsup:



I still want to see how the hell WE WILL PLAY...I haven't seen any sort of strategy....the best I've seen is some man on man stuff for about half the time, until then, it's hard to say who we still need or what sort of players we recruit.

And FFS if you put a torpedo to the centre square...you better make sure there's at least a couple if players there who will push it over the back....we've done it three times and kicked it the oppositions tallest player....WITHOUT ours being there???? Copped a goal each time.



run to the wings, flanks, hug the boundary line, then center the ball hoping someone will take a power pack mark.....

its riskless boring footy...and doesnt even suit our list strengths (even Sydney dont play that way and they have Buddy, Tippet and Goodes when he is fit to run through the forward line)

I suggest people look at the last game we played in the 2013 finals. One of the most pathetic finals performances I have seen from a carlton team

My point is that it's not riskless and boring.
Quite the opposite.
Drop loose men into defence and mids into the corridor (or in Richmonds case opposite wing) and watch it rocket back.
Then chase guys and be a spent by the last quarter.
and it's been happening to us a lot.

Sorry I'm letting football get in the way of arguments. ...my apologies

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Reckon players at other clubs would be fighting over who gets to play extra man in defense against Carlton. Guaranteed half dozen uncontested marks and plenty of touches.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:38 am 
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hard to believe our team wold play a brazilian brand of footy
its like asking the socceroos to play brazil and play one touch footy... just wouldnt work... would be a slaughter.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:45 am 
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bill.. i know what ur saying mate

youre sayng one touch footy with players drpping back etc
BUT

look

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opposition teams have a coach too.. and hes not going to idle if he is a good one.
he will counter your tactics to make them obsolete
and then with his superior skills and endurance and hunger to win .. he will smash u again.

before we start talking about stuff wwe cant fix..immediately
lets address the things we can... determination and 1%

when u r behind in skills.. and endurance

really u have to win it by guts... do what sydney did
stoppages.. get the ball from one stoppage to the next and work the opposition over with guts and determination
get outflanked and in the open and youre dead

i know its horrible.. but thats what happens when u spend the best part of 7 or 8 years building mediocrity
swans won like that....

and u might not win anything but youll gain a work ethic

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:06 am 
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Synbad wrote:
bill.. i know what ur saying mate

youre sayng one touch footy with players drpping back etc
BUT

look


really u have to win it by guts... do what sydney did
stoppages.. get the ball from one stoppage to the next and work the opposition over with guts and determination
get outflanked and in the open and youre dead

i know its horrible.. but thats what happens when u spend the best part of 7 or 8 years building mediocrity
swans won like that....

and u might not win anything but youll gain a work ethic


I can't watch Carlton matches this year (I watched the first match and part of the 2nd-didn't watch the Essendon* match at all)... .and it is largely due to the style of play, which is unattractive to watch. It is a "protecting the zone" style of play, so what they do is allow the opposition easy possessions in the back half and even in the midfield for the most part when the ball is loose, and then only put "pressure" on them once they get in the forward half. By then it is too late strategically and in terms of morale. Every time an opposition player gets the ball it builds up confidence and resilience, so allowing any easy possessions is the wrong way to go.

Spoiling, shepharding, protecting the ball carrier, run past for the handball, play-on footy, tackling, effective tackling - you don't see it for the most part, man on man pressure is the only way to win. Carlton play as if it is basketball or soccer, or some other non-contact sport. They deserve everything they get. If they play contested football, having linking play with handballs, lead the tackling and pressure acts ALL OVER THE GROUND and lose, so be it, I can watch them again, but until then I just find the style highly unattractive.


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