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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:22 pm 
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MIL wrote:
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..you can have the best ruck in all time, but if the mids stop working hard, they make zero difference.. ..krooz kept competing, mclean and judd worked hard but dont get enough minutes in the middle.. ..krooz, judd and mclean cant carry an entire midfield.


Judd worked hard, but no longer hurts teams with his diposals esp by foot. Watch replay and see how many of his kicks found a target. Doesn't help with no fwd line though.


Our center set up is defensive with no direct support for an effective disposal when we get first use of the ball.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:29 pm 
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Started the second half with Cachia (on Pendlebury) and Carazzo on Swan in the centre square. Hardly the way to get back in the game. Mick never rolled the dice.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:32 pm 
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FMD small picture people...... do you think we need a full independent review of this footy club or not?
Rolling the dice doesnt make a difference when it comes to where this footy club finds itself atm

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:35 pm 
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We need a full review of our playing list and development program. We started the change last year, time to finish it and get it right. This summer has to product results for the next ten years.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:36 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Started the second half with Cachia (on Pendlebury) and Carazzo on Swan in the centre square. Hardly the way to get back in the game. Mick never rolled the dice.


Funny you say that. I was sitting high up on the wing, with a good view of game and kept saying the same thing to my mate. It was nearly like Mick knows this team isn't going too far and was just prepared to see who fared the best in their possies with a view to the future. Just looked strange.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:57 pm 
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MIL wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Started the second half with Cachia (on Pendlebury) and Carazzo on Swan in the centre square. Hardly the way to get back in the game. Mick never rolled the dice.


Funny you say that. I was sitting high up on the wing, with a good view of game and kept saying the same thing to my mate. It was nearly like Mick knows this team isn't going too far and was just prepared to see who fared the best in their possies with a view to the future. Just looked strange.


35 players have played this year, tipping he hasn't finished looking at our list yet.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:26 pm 
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..definitely need a full review.. ..from prez down..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:59 pm 
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That's right lets throw the whole club into turmoil; then we will be better next year! My goodness people talk crap on this site. The President was not on the ground, or was I missing something. It was our worst game for the year but it wasn't the worst game I have ever seen a Carlton team play. The poor performance rests with the coaching staff and match committee. Why did Murph and Robinson play? They should not have been selected and were clearly not fit enough to play. It would have been a good time to blood Nick Graham who has been going really well for the past 4 weeks with the Northern Blues.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:42 pm 
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FWIW I think that the main problem was that we struggled to come up after the hard slog in the wet. It's happened to better teams than us. The lack of run and general lethargy made us look a lot worse than usual.

Not saying that everything's rosy otherwise.
We're a middle of the road team and no one here's happy with that, but last night's performance was exceptionally poor.

IMO we have talent on the list but the mix is wrong - too many of the same type of players, (eg 3 number #1 rucks, too many small goal sneaks etc). This situation persists because we can't seem to decide who to persist with and who to trade.

Courage is required.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:59 pm 
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I thought we looked flat, slow and tired as well.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:06 pm 
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I thought we looked flat, slow and tired as well.


And we had a 7 day break compared to their 6 day break....no excuses for last night's poor effort.

It amazes me that this group has no desire to succeed and are happy to just plod along mediocrity...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:30 pm 
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Well,for me it was great.Finally,i have realised that i have had my head in the sand for far too long.No more rose coloured glasses.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:44 pm 
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Well,for me it was great.Finally,i have realised that i have had my head in the sand for far too long.No more rose coloured glasses.

With you there mickstar - quite cathartic :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:45 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Started the second half with Cachia (on Pendlebury) and Carazzo on Swan in the centre square. Hardly the way to get back in the game. Mick never rolled the dice.


What was he going to roll the dice with?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:03 pm 
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Didn't watch the game. I didnt think we were any chance at all.

My reasoning had nothing to do with team selections, recruitment or process.

It came on the back of what I thought were three very competitive and meritorious performances and THEN in the same week as these guys have done what they can the coach is reported to have told a coterie group that 25% of the 22 that played in the Swans game are not good enough to play in a flag team, he then goes on to re-state that he had a preferred game plan, but can't implement it because the player group can't do it so he's had to amend it i.e. players no good.

The CEO then comes out and says that there will be a big turnover of players at the end of the year. i.e players no good.

So, no matter what MM and the coaching staff have been saying to the group they, the players, would suspect that's not his real opinion of them.

So, the good players think the average players are holding them back, the average players think the coach reckons they are shit and the whole player group now thinks there's no point sacrificing themselves.

It's different to Blighty and "Pitiful Pittman" because it doesn't single out the offender and target his behaviour, by nominating a percentage there could be as many as 8 players thinking the coach reckons they are no good and as a result MM has thrown a bucket of sh1t over the team.


I can't disagree with this argument. MM generally backs his team to a fault, but Swanny backed it up by flagging savage cull at seasons end before the game. Curious...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:38 pm 
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Didn't watch the game. I didnt think we were any chance at all.

My reasoning had nothing to do with team selections, recruitment or process.

It came on the back of what I thought were three very competitive and meritorious performances and THEN in the same week as these guys have done what they can the coach is reported to have told a coterie group that 25% of the 22 that played in the Swans game are not good enough to play in a flag team, he then goes on to re-state that he had a preferred game plan, but can't implement it because the player group can't do it so he's had to amend it i.e. players no good.

The CEO then comes out and says that there will be a big turnover of players at the end of the year. i.e players no good.

So, no matter what MM and the coaching staff have been saying to the group they, the players, would suspect that's not his real opinion of them.

So, the good players think the average players are holding them back, the average players think the coach reckons they are shit and the whole player group now thinks there's no point sacrificing themselves.

It's different to Blighty and "Pitiful Pittman" because it doesn't single out the offender and target his behaviour, by nominating a percentage there could be as many as 8 players thinking the coach reckons they are no good and as a result MM has thrown a bucket of sh1t over the team.

You raise a good point, but wouldn't it then be on the players to work that extra bit harder to make sure they're not part of that 25% and put in that little bit of extra effort? If they drop their bundle and crack the sads because the coach doesn't rate them, then they're softer than we thought and don't belong in AFL.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:43 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Didn't watch the game. I didnt think we were any chance at all.

My reasoning had nothing to do with team selections, recruitment or process.

It came on the back of what I thought were three very competitive and meritorious performances and THEN in the same week as these guys have done what they can the coach is reported to have told a coterie group that 25% of the 22 that played in the Swans game are not good enough to play in a flag team, he then goes on to re-state that he had a preferred game plan, but can't implement it because the player group can't do it so he's had to amend it i.e. players no good.

The CEO then comes out and says that there will be a big turnover of players at the end of the year. i.e players no good.

So, no matter what MM and the coaching staff have been saying to the group they, the players, would suspect that's not his real opinion of them.

So, the good players think the average players are holding them back, the average players think the coach reckons they are shit and the whole player group now thinks there's no point sacrificing themselves.

It's different to Blighty and "Pitiful Pittman" because it doesn't single out the offender and target his behaviour, by nominating a percentage there could be as many as 8 players thinking the coach reckons they are no good and as a result MM has thrown a bucket of sh1t over the team.

You raise a good point, but wouldn't it then be on the players to work that extra bit harder to make sure they're not part of that 25% and put in that little bit of extra effort? If they drop their bundle and crack the sads because the coach doesn't rate them, then they're softer than we thought and don't belong in AFL.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:49 pm 
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Anyone else get sad watching how these Geelong kids contribute, take games on and make a real difference when it counts...
My point is why don't our kids?
Time for a real think from our footy club, maybe time to be bold.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:14 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Didn't watch the game. I didnt think we were any chance at all.

My reasoning had nothing to do with team selections, recruitment or process.

It came on the back of what I thought were three very competitive and meritorious performances and THEN in the same week as these guys have done what they can the coach is reported to have told a coterie group that 25% of the 22 that played in the Swans game are not good enough to play in a flag team, he then goes on to re-state that he had a preferred game plan, but can't implement it because the player group can't do it so he's had to amend it i.e. players no good.

The CEO then comes out and says that there will be a big turnover of players at the end of the year. i.e players no good.

So, no matter what MM and the coaching staff have been saying to the group they, the players, would suspect that's not his real opinion of them.

So, the good players think the average players are holding them back, the average players think the coach reckons they are shit and the whole player group now thinks there's no point sacrificing themselves.

It's different to Blighty and "Pitiful Pittman" because it doesn't single out the offender and target his behaviour, by nominating a percentage there could be as many as 8 players thinking the coach reckons they are no good and as a result MM has thrown a bucket of sh1t over the team.

You raise a good point, but wouldn't it then be on the players to work that extra bit harder to make sure they're not part of that 25% and put in that little bit of extra effort? If they drop their bundle and crack the sads because the coach doesn't rate them, then they're softer than we thought and don't belong in AFL.


You work with what you've got until you get better.

You don't throw them out the door before they have replacements.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:37 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Well,for me it was great.Finally,i have realised that i have had my head in the sand for far too long.No more rose coloured glasses.


Had a very similar feeling

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