i think Synbad is on the money

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Well, call me a hopeless optimist. But it is not all doom and gloom and there have been improvements and progress:

- Social media, web site, comms etc vastly improved in the last 12 months. (Example I felt the coverage of the Arizona trip was very good)
- Coutts gone.
- Ratts gone.
- Sticks stepping aside soon.
- Meeting next week to get direct input re social media

Things go slowly and there are a lot of things at the club that need improvement. But I see progress.

I understand Synbad's and others scepticism, but choose to give them a chance. Key is a more capable president and a smaller effective board. Hopefully this happens soon.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

I concur.
A great heart-felt post and due credit for that, but unless it's directed to hit a target it's just as much fluff (?) as "Ruffy's" exercise.

As for trying and failing? When at first you don't succeed, try and try again.............and then again if need be. Then you can have my vote Synbad.

Social media is a vehicle to relay the message.... but what is the message???

And a chance?

Alot of these people have been there a long time.

And there is no reason for there to be TWO Pratts...
What can Mrs Pratt bring to the club that Ruffy cant... and vice a versa... why would they BOTH need to be on that board... cant one help from outside of the board???

Ratten is gone.. but the board ratified a Ratts extension and wanted him gone half way through the following year....cost the club alot of money.....where is the accountability???


As inept as this board has shown itself to be .... (Especially displayed by chasing Collingwood people almost exclusively for important roles )... coach.. CEO.. membership boss... etc etc etc....their single most biggest mistae is to repel supporters away from the club.... Theyre not even aware theyre doing it...
They are actually surprised and non plussed with the membership numbers...they simply put it down to "apathy".. and Ruffy has a video on you tube of himself scratching his nose amd ear alot and contorting his face avoiding the main questions.. whilst giving no new initiatives...and telling us his favourite footy experience is going to the footy with Dick.. therefore reminding us of the connection he has with Dick.. and his favourite Carlton player is someone he has never seen play... (Wasnt big in Sth Africa or Syracuse college USA)... but he did work with him and saw him close up in all his Jezza majesty.... he didnt explain what Jezza did close up emplyment that makes him his favourite ever Carlton player....
Not even sure why he used time to fill in answering those types of questions ... when the pressing questions were never answered.. except to show us hes a Carlton person like the rest of us....a grass roots Carlton supporter..

Ruffy can go away and think about what he can add along with the rest of them to make this club great again... instead of trying to impress us with old hat navel gazing fluff...

Being frank Mikky... Ruffy is asking why people arent connecting.....

No use listening to the supporters who have swallowed it all....they by their memberships regardless for a whole bunch of reasons...
How do they wind the hearts and minds of supporters who are not rejoining ... or the young generation who have NEVER seen anything Great from this Carlton Footy Club????


Like ive said about Ruffy.... he might have a different name.. or a different style... but there is nothing there we have not already seen or heard.....

Sometimes i think those blokes take us all for absolute idiots.

Connect..communicate with honesty and care....... create something great ..people will follow.

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dont need your vote....

the thing about rhis thread is the club wants to know why its underperforming harker.... in the membership stakes...
im just explaining why i believe it is.... maybe they want to hear from you ???? but youre already a member...
so if theyre listening to you... they dont get to be a heavyweight.. youre not disgruntled..

you sound like them......


Are you following harker???

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No argument and all that needs to be said

We have been saying that for years.... but i think it needs to be spelt out to them.

Ruffy is in abit of a bind.. he has stepped out and told us on here and on video what he is here for ...
basically hes on record.. as he is about the 4 more flags in 8 more years ... he likes us to win... in the wash up... whats it all mean and whats Ruffy all about???

I dont expect him to keep popping in here... but i do expect the club to understand the probems and do something about them.

If there is a shift in club policy .... Ruffy and the board have heeded warnings and made an effort to repair.

My problem is with Ruffy.. the care he put into that video to achnowledge the realities facing the club is very minimal so i indeed worry about the results going forward .. and fear its more of the same....

So while we have his audience... i pull out all stops to make sure he understands and should be accountable.. as he volunteered this to us.. and noone pointed a gun to his head....

I wanna pin these guys down to something.. as so far they have been existing with impunity

Ruffy wouldnt have been invited onto the board without his father in laws involvement at the club.

But he says its not a club for the "rich"

I want these guys clear on what the situation is and what should be expected.

They dont know... or they wouldnt be here.....

And they shouldnt be here for window dressing either.....and false appearances

That would be sin!!

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The Ruffy thing was always going to be a puff piece I dont know why you expected more
Synners you should change your user name to Tom Cat its more fitting

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

the top line is just as important & spot on, as the 2nd line.

"Communicate with honesty and care." Beautiful

Importantly, do not condescend, to fellow CFC members. Do not be patronising in your manner.
"Create something great...people will follow."
This is true, but it's also true, that if the team plays great, the people will join anyway, despite the Board, and despite the incompetency of the Membership dept, and the 'grab money at any cost' policy that prevails.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Not sure about that to be honest.

In the past five or six years, we've seen the occasional North Melbourne or Footscray challenge meekly for a top 4 spot, and not much else. The clubs that have had continued success in this past decade have all been just as solid off it.

Any team can play finals, few build on that momentum.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

After seeing the video of Mr Geminder, he will not be receiving my vote.

Just watched the video.

Can't say I'm rapt re: answer on Etihad, and if anything speaks to the criticisms that he's not listening to what the supporters are saying.

Most don't want to move from Etihad because we struggle to win there regularly, they want to because its consistently a piss poor experience going there and there are question marks about the financial viability of the deal.

Appreciate not being able to discuss confidential matters here, but way to miss the mark just the same.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Good point Rhino.
Any jumping on the wagon will need to be met with superlative on going care, in order to keep those members longer term.
I guess I'm concerned that on field success, might be an easy out for Board members, who can claim credit for things that have happened despite them, not because of them.

Hopefully we are on the path for positive change on all levels at CFC.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

So basically some people believe that we should be a very good team and that will make people become members????

Thats exactly what they believe....

Though that same lack of nouse and attempting to cut corners and not do all the hard work is what the club is a bout.. so not ony wont it create a huge club with supporters but will not win a flag either....

everything is half baked!!!

if the club play great... i wont necessarily buy a membership.....

ill buy a membership when the club is a great club again... and gives a toss about its people

before each season people dont know how the season will pan out.. by the half way mark memberships are closed...
some years we have had a ripper start to the season... (two seasons ago)... if they think its about that... theyre deluded...

Its about the environment they create for people to jump on board and feel part of ...

some people will be swayed by results .... i supported the club financially when they were really shit ... and i knew i was not getting value... but i did it believing about the idea of an all encompassing club.

ive spoken to people around the club over the last 3 year or so and they truly believe the last ingredient for this club to become a giant is a flag... so they hold onto that as their belief and it becomes what they pray for and what they wish for....

..... thats exactly what they have been doing... they have taken their eyes off the ball so to speak and they are praying to a false god for their answer.....

Not saying that wont happen... but i also believe if you dont do things right off field... you cant be doing them on field....

We are not experts on winning flags right now.. and not on off field .. or vice versa... we are average.. on and off... and they resemble each other....on and off field...

imagination creativity and energy both on and off field...both sides of the ledger.....

there are no shortcuts at either end.... if you want to do the vesy best... if you wanna do ok on either .. you can....you can take short cuts... not too hard to finish 5th 6th 7th and have 48,,000 members if youre the CFC....

Its not an unbelievably fantastic achievement...

maximising is ...!!!.. winning fags and having around the 60,000

Thats going to take hard work!!!...

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Our club should have been able, to without a blink of an eye, achieve at least 55 to 60K members on the back of 3 consecutive finals performances - regardless of the results of those finals - the missing piece has been the way the club treats its constituents. We have over a million supporters across Australia, and who knows how many across the world, yet can claim only 4.5% of those followers as members. We should be at least 6% to 7%.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

He came.
He made a couple of comments and a video.
He hasn't been seen since.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

Im sure he will be back Sombrero.
I am very interested in his motivation .
Is he fairdinkum and will initiate for real improvements or is just more blah blah blah we have had to endure as they continue on their road to medicority?
Thats what Ruffy must ask himself ... we are watching.

Jeanie was also on the membership subcommittee is im not mistaken... since she became senior VP we havent really heard boo from her.
Whats the point of having 2 invisible members from one family on the board ?
Granted they have and do pump in money... but this club needs to get its shit together so people arent pumping in money to buy seats.
Ruffy.. this is why the club has a reputation its hijacked by the rich....and it is not belonging to the members.

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Now all that needs to happen is for the club to demonstrate that they value members; re-enfranchising of members; acting on member feedback; valuing large interstate markets, etc.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Easier said than done, KK.

We've had a patriarchal model for some time now, and the board is stacked with people who have never had to work at altering consumer sentiment to grow their business. I'm not sure they know how, or even, deep down, see the need (apathetic supporters!).

They can't just flick a switch on this. They need to see the supporters as at the core of what they do, rather than as an externality. It's a fundamental change in philosophy, and not just a case of doing the little things better.

You know the old joke 'this would be a great business if it wasn't for the customers'... I think the club kind of has that as a motto.

I don't have a lot of faith that they really want the kind of club we're hoping for. Sure, they want the numbers... They want 70,000 members. But I don't think they want to be the kind of organisation that actually attracts those kind of numbers.

I hear you, John, and knowing your background, i know you know what you're talking about.

I know they can't just flick a switch on it, but seeing some effort in that direction would make me feel a whole lot more positive.

At the end of the day, the customer, or the member will ask "What's in it for me?"

So far, the club is answering "An apron", especially to interstate supporters, and Sydney supporters in particular.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.