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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:18 am 
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Who's Fitzgerald?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:24 am 
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Who's Fitzgerald?


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He's now writing a coaching manual for CFC Assistant Coaches.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:15 am 
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Cazz, what are your thoughts on who should be appointed our line coaches for 2011, and do you agree that letting go 80% of our coaching panel at the end of 2010 is an admission of mismanagement by the club?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:21 am 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
Cazz, what are your thoughts on who should be appointed our line coaches for 2011, and do you agree that letting go 80% of our coaching panel at the end of 2010 is an admission of mismanagement by the club?


Still dreaming of becoming a journo eh Josh? :thumbsup:

The rhetorical leading question, designed not to be answered but which is posed for the other readers' benefit. You're a natural :smoking:


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:59 am 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
Cazz, what are your thoughts on who should be appointed our line coaches for 2011, and do you agree that letting go 80% of our coaching panel at the end of 2010 is an admission of mismanagement by the club?


You are asking the wrong supporter. I have no inside knowledge about the work practices of the Coaching staff or the credentials of any replacement people.

The entire will they/won't they, can they/can't they Coach makes supporters very fickle. Hard to believe I know. :eek:

Last year Alan Richardson was flavour of the month. He went to the Bombers who had a woeful year and he hasn't been mentioned since. Gary O'Donnell learnt under Matthews and was considered the next big thing and he is in nowhere land at the Bombers.

I know nothing about Peter German who is with the Doggies but his record in winning premierships is as good as anyone. He never gets mentioned. Why is that? He Coached Williamstown this year and had them flying until the Bullants pipped them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_German

This year maybe Mark Neeld is the next big thing.

I trust the club knows fully what it wants, who it wants, why it wants them, where the club it is heading and how it is heading there.

As a collective Group the entire workforce of the Carlton Football Club must be willing to stay the selected course despite the phone callers to SEN after a loss. Solidarity is the only way Clubs win Premierships.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:59 am 
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I think JK makes a fair point though. Some posters tell us that those appointing people know much more than us. Well I would hope so, but given that they would have appointed Voss except he got cold feet, that Ratts was appointed with barely more than a year as an assistant and with barely a cursory glance at any other candidates, that all his assistants except Riley had no coaching experience either, that we rushed in like amateurs to give up a first rounder to Melbourne for a slow injury prone midfielder who Melb didn't see as part of their future, and then our CEO started saying that they would renegotiate the deal, it is hard to have absolute confidence in our decision making. And all this is on top of about a decade of bad decisions. Do we ever learn? Do we know what year it is? What millenium?

Getting Judd was a huge coup, but if he had have stayed with WCE we would have not risen above 10th. He carries out side and maybe papers over some of the decisions we haven't got as right as other clubs.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:41 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
I trust the club knows fully what it wants, who it wants, why it wants them, where the club it is heading and how it is heading there.Regards Cazzesman


And therein lies a problem Cazz. Look at the coaching staff we've had for the last 2 years...

Ratten - minimal experience as an assistant at a bottom club
Harvey - never coached before
Lappin - never coached before
Montgomery - never coached before
Bradley - less than a year coaching before
Riley - experience as a coach in WAFl and at a bottom AFL club

How could any reasonable club put together a coaching department with so little experience? And the very same people are about to re-structure the coaching department. You may have trust in the Club to make the right choices, but there are many who don't, and for pretty good reason.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:20 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
Cazz, what are your thoughts on who should be appointed our line coaches for 2011, and do you agree that letting go 80% of our coaching panel at the end of 2010 is an admission of mismanagement by the club?


You are asking the wrong supporter.

I know nothing about Peter German who is with the Doggies but his record in winning premierships is as good as anyone. He never gets mentioned. Why is that? He Coached Williamstown this year and had them flying until the Bullants pipped them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_German

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:40 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
Cazz, what are your thoughts on who should be appointed our line coaches for 2011, and do you agree that letting go 80% of our coaching panel at the end of 2010 is an admission of mismanagement by the club?



Saints have had 4 assistants walk and they are playing saturday

Are they miss managed

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:46 pm 
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Siegfried wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
I trust the club knows fully what it wants, who it wants, why it wants them, where the club it is heading and how it is heading there.Regards Cazzesman


And therein lies a problem Cazz. Look at the coaching staff we've had for the last 2 years...

Ratten - minimal experience as an assistant at a bottom club
Harvey - never coached before
Lappin - never coached before
Montgomery - never coached before
Bradley - less than a year coaching before
Riley - experience as a coach in WAFl and at a bottom AFL club

How could any reasonable club put together a coaching department with so little experience? And the very same people are about to re-structure the coaching department. You may have trust in the Club to make the right choices, but there are many who don't, and for pretty good reason.


Easy to have a crack now but that group did get us into two finals two years in a row and I think it is fair to say we should have won both of them but blew it in the end due to some of the players making some poor decisions at crucial times.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:23 pm 
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Get Richardson from Essendon*, looks to be out of the running and has had the best apprenticeship a coach could ask for.
7yrs under Malthouse
3yrs under Bomber Thompson
1yr with Knights may have minused his knowledge a bit but worth a go.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:26 am 
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MPH78 wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
I hope people aren't underestimating how important this off-season is for our club, particularly in regards to the make- up of our coaching department. Astute line coaches are hugely influential in the structure of a modern AFL side. While there remains pointed question marks over Ratten's ability to adequately structure our side to compete against the best, our appointments this summer have massive implications for our side in 2011 and beyond.

Personally, I feel it is essential guys like Mark Neeld, Dean Laidley, Sos, Todd Viney, and Sanderson are spoken to. There is some essential IP pouring out of those guys, and we need to get hold of it. We should avoid the 'short cuts' of appointing more than 1 recently retired player, because we cannot afford to have both the head coach and the assistants learning on the job. While the club might deem them cheaper than more experienced assistants, if ever there was a time for us to spend money- this is it.


Nice post Josh...agree wholeheartedly.


Ditto, very well put Josh.

Surely this wouldn't be lost on the powers that be at the club??


Probably not.

I think you should take it upon yourself to ring the club and let them know.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:03 am 
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Elusive Turtle wrote:
Get Richardson from Essendon*, looks to be out of the running and has had the best apprenticeship a coach could ask for.
7yrs under Malthouse
3yrs under Bomber Thompson (Not correct)
1yr with Knights may have minused his knowledge a bit but worth a go.


Richardson was with the Bulldogs as an assistant / development coach prior to going to Collingwood. Before then he was with East Burwood (EDFL) and Coburg (VFL). He's never worked under Bomber Thompson.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:02 am 
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There is an interesting small article in todays HUN about Montgomery's sacking from Carlton. He had no idea it was coming and Swanny saw him in the carpark afterwards and asked him how he was and had no idea himself that Montgomery would be told to move on.
Hope Ratten is not going to become another Voss.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:11 pm 
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kezza wrote:
There is an interesting small article in todays HUN about Montgomery's sacking from Carlton. He had no idea it was coming and Swanny saw him in the carpark afterwards and asked him how he was and had no idea himself that Montgomery would be told to move on.
Hope Ratten is not going to become another Voss.


Probably indicates that it is purely a footy dept. decision.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:49 pm 
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TheGame wrote:
Who's Fitzgerald?

You obviously didn't listen to his quarter time address. It was amazing. Better than Teagues even. We should get him.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:16 pm 
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Who's Fitzgerald?

You obviously didn't listen to his quarter time address. It was amazing. Better than Teagues even. We should get him.

We have to work out if he's available first, because if he is, he can't be the best.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:45 pm 
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kezza wrote:
There is an interesting small article in todays HUN about Montgomery's sacking from Carlton. He had no idea it was coming and Swanny saw him in the carpark afterwards and asked him how he was and had no idea himself that Montgomery would be told to move on.
Hope Ratten is not going to become another Voss.

That is interesting. I had the impression that Monty was the most impressive of the assistants and I assume he was picked by Ratts initially. It seems strange that the board and CEO wouldn't know that the footy dept was sacking people. As others have pointed out if a coach in his last year is changing staff either they are going to be on one year deals or you mat face payouts if there is a change of coach in 2012. In a way it is a big call. I don't think Ratts is a great coach but I do think that the coach has to be free to make calls on his assistants and then be judged about those calls. I wonder which member of the 95 premiership side will come in to replace Monty? I think 2011 is a very big year for Ratts. Lets hope Juddy stays on the park.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:51 pm 
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kezza wrote:
There is an interesting small article in todays HUN about Montgomery's sacking from Carlton. He had no idea it was coming and Swanny saw him in the carpark afterwards and asked him how he was and had no idea himself that Montgomery would be told to move on.
Hope Ratten is not going to become another Voss.


So the CEO has no idea of who's being hired and fired?? WTF is going on at that joint???

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:08 pm 
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kezza wrote:
There is an interesting small article in todays HUN about Montgomery's sacking from Carlton. He had no idea it was coming and Swanny saw him in the carpark afterwards and asked him how he was and had no idea himself that Montgomery would be told to move on.
Hope Ratten is not going to become another Voss.


So the CEO has no idea of who's being hired and fired?? WTF is going on at that joint???



It certainly strikes me as odd.

I mean, if it's a footy dept decision thats fine and'it's entirely appropriate for hirings and firings to be conducted without input from the CEO, but it is strange that he would not have been given at least a "heads up" that one of the seior coaches was getting the chop.

If , for no other reason, that the CEO gets ambushed by a Hutchy in the carpark and asks him why assistant coach X was sacked.

I would be a little embarrasing if he had to respond ërrr dunno, didn't know he was".

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