Still shattered. Yesterday should have been spent organising finals tickets not wonder "what if".

Why I'm defending the umps I do not know, but ...

I think that the Matner one was ok. I reckon Walker had his arm locked in. If I'm right, then it was clever staging from Walker and even cleverer umpiring.

The Goodes one ... looked obvious to me, but there were a lot of players around, maybe the ump was blindsided and assumed he got a hand-ball in? Don't know, I was pretty cranky at the time.

Mumford ... this one I just cannot explain. Second time this year this has happened and for the life of me I cannot see why. Three umps should've had a clear view - any could've called it. Prior opportunity ... etc etc. Ticked every box, but no free. I don't see how they could justify that call. If they acknowledge that it was an error, I still don't understand what they were thinking.

Maybe as the tackle was laid they sneezed and missed it. All of them. At the same time. In both games.

Our defence is still our achilles heel. A little bloke chews us up again (Dennis-Lane 4 goals from 6 kicks). And 11 entries in the final quarter by Sydney for seven scores (3.4), disappointing.

Watching the replay even Bruce thought it shoulda been a free kick to us!

For mine the problem with the umpiring is the decisions they don't play. Specifically the belief that players are entitled to tackle Chris Judd whether he has the ball or not.
Watch the first goal from Kieran Jack again. Judd drags him thrrough the contest like he was a tire in a sprinting drill. Once Judd is out of the way, Jack picks up the ball and scores. Why is he allowed to tackle, or impeed Judd without the pill?

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Watch that piece of play. As a supporter I am far more concerned that AJ was looking at what was coming rather than the ball, so he fumbled then got an incidental whack in the face. If he hadn't taken his eyes off the ball the situation wouldn't have arisen, as with Waite when he dropped an uncontested mark, got a slap in the face and lay prone while the Swans ran away with it. Let's get ourselves right rather than excusing our bad play because of line ball umpiring decisions.

While on AJ, can't the guy bend and pick up the ball? It happened last week against Freeo when he gave them a point for a 7 point lead, and again ag the Swans when he kicked the ball 20 metres towards the Swans goal instead of gathering it, or even attempting to gather it - result Swans goal.

Id AJ is good enough to get a game with us, we are not good enough to go beyond where we are.

100% with you on that one. Our defensive unit is poor. Think of the amount of times we went forward for no result, compared to the swans.
Our defenders may be ok 1 on 1 but we lack the collective effort to stop teams. We rarely have players who chop off the ball coming in, whether it be structure or our players aren't confident enough to peel off. Collingwood do it very well, so do the cats.

We aren't able to for some reason! I remember white doing a good job of filling the void earlier in the year, hopefully he can develop more next year

Great song!.....I've added it to my favourites!........

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SPOT ON.
Jordan Russell could've easily given away 2 frees inside 50 that weren't given. Its swings and roundabouts.
The day I blame umpires for a loss is the day I give up barracking for Carlton.
Improve disposal, decision making and drills. The rest will look after itself.

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Now Diesel, I hope you have calmed down a little. I meant we had those players " out " of the team that played Sydney.

I agree we can't blame the umpires for losing but did anyone else notice the umpire getting in the way of Judd's run at goal in the last quarter. It forced Judd to go out wider than he would have.

For flowers sake!!!!

When are people going to realise that complaining about the shit quality of the umpiring in a match and blaming the umpiring for a loss are 2 completely different things?

The "I don't complain about umpiring" side reckon that it's embarrassing to have whinge about shit umpiring, well I reckon it's more embarassing not to be able distinguish between the 2.

Is it really that hard to understand?

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apologies

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Mil,

I love that new location of yours.

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The funny thing is that I have actually had that location there for the whole time I have been a member here.(around 3 years)

Just an indication of how tragic the Geelong Advertiser is and indeed most of the town during football season......

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Why? Because it doesn't suit your argument?

Often we hear the quote "Yeah. But where did we get them?" This game Defence Carlton 1 South 3; Midfield Carlton 13 South 9; Forward Carlton6 South 3.

Sometimes we hear "Yeah but they got that goal from a crap free". Goals from frees; Carlton 3 South 1.

Anyone who blames umpires for the result of a game of football cannot be taken seriously.[/quote]


SPOT ON.
Jordan Russell could've easily given away 2 frees inside 50 that weren't given. Its swings and roundabouts.
The day I blame umpires for a loss is the day I give up barracking for Carlton.
Improve disposal, decision making and drills. The rest will look after itself.[/quote]




For !@#$%& sake!!!!

When are people going to realise that complaining about the shit quality of the umpiring in a match and blaming the umpiring for a loss are 2 completely different things?

The "I don't complain about umpiring" side reckon that it's embarrassing to have whinge about shit umpiring, well I reckon it's more embarassing not to be able distinguish between the 2.

Is it really that hard to understand? [/quote]

Shit umpiring and good umpiring decisions occur in every single game. It's irrelevant and inconsequential. Let's talk about the difference b/w good plays and bad plays within a game. That's what we can control and funnily enough, that's why people go to the footy.

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I think playing a mini final with a man down at Subi, killed us in the last quarter in Sydney.
Suspect fatique was a major factor in missing goals like Waitey's horrid miss, Hendo dropping marks.
Hendo really needs a good pre-season to build his tank.
Imagine if Collingwood copped Round 22 Perth road trip, Eddie would have a coronary.

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I wrote down all the clangers we made that cost goals. I'm not going to reproduce them here. All the postmortems in the world won't change the result.

6 months to go until we open the 2011 season against Richmond.

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Notice last weeks birthday boy, Dennis-Lane didn't trouble the scorers last night against the dogs

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