This could of already happened for all we know

The thing that astounds me is how most people fixated on blaming others rather than the 4 morons involved in the incidents.

I love Eddie and what he offers to our side, but given its only been a few months since his last incident, i can't believe he could be so stupid

99% of football fans are completely dumb shits ( exhibit A : football forums/threads like this )

99% of football players are dumber than the fans ( exhibit B : instances like this )

_________________
*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

If we are a fair dinkum club then those 4 guys should be suspended for 6 weeks...
Walker should have been traded....overrated for someone who hasn't done much on the footy field.

I think we should send the boys to that place in england they film ladette to lady.

'Boozes to Gents'

Couple weeks with those old fossil ladies and they wont drink again

Save me....save me from tomorrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of fools...

perhaps this will be the christmas carol captain judd wants most to sing?
perhaps I have been singing it...but that was over the climate change outcome...
forgive me father for i have sinned....i have thought our boys a bunch of ungrateful idiots who know not what they do after alcohol consumption.
a bunch of wanderers in a spiritual desert...bereft of moral compass, self respect,and empathy for fellow teammates,club,and fans.
perhaps some new years resolutions need to be made,and stuck to?.some guidance,both inner and outer...and some soul searching too.
change is often with upheaval,and soon enough,there will be calm again,and a better more above board,more generous team oriented way of doing things...but for now....growing pains abound!!

_________________
That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Assuming it's Robinson's first offence of this ilk, then maybe I wouldn't go that far (although it does seem his 'unique' personality may need some attention), but if what we're hearing is true, then for the other three most certainly - six weeks suspension at a minimum, and their Bullants form following this would have to be stellar before they should even vaguely be considered for Carlton selection.

I know these blokes are just footballers, and we really shouldn't expect much from them as men, but really... the mind boggles at the distinct lack of common sense amongst all concerned. Heaven help these blokes when the structures of a professional football life fall out from beneath them, as clearly even this isn't enough to keep them focussed.

Our leaders, on field and off, need to HTFU here, and very soon.

Consider me one embarrassed Carlton supporter.

2010 slogan should be "Can you smell what the Blues have been drinking"

Very disappointing.

_________________
31-3-2015 - R.I.P AFL, corrupted lying pricks
12-5-2015 - Go WADA
18-8-2015 - Suffer Hird* u lying flower
12-1-2016 - CAS goes bang, happy new year.. Drugcheats forever..

I think everyone needs to take football players down off their hero pedestals and lower their expectations.

Football players are the same snotty nosed shitheads you get pissed off at in the shopping centres, on the buses, on the trains, in the pubs, at the beach etc - young rowdy flower kids with not much care or clue for the world around them.

But cos these shitheads can kick a footy and run a bit and pump weights and get overpaid everyone seems to worship them and think they are geniuses all of a sudden

I understand that with being a highly paid footballer comes responsibility but i think we expect far too much from them, its beyond them - they dont have the mental capacity

I enjoy watching them play football though - thats about as far as it goes for me nowadays , they are merely shitheads kicking a footy around and nothing more.

Not Heroes, not Role models , not Saviours, not Angels , not Perfect never were and never will be.

_________________
*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I agree gro, and I don't expect these guys to be moral guardians at all.

But the problem is, it's been 15 years since we won our last flag, and I'd like to see us win another one before it's 20 years.

And I honestly think that the club culture which seems to intimate to these blokes that it's ok to get shitfaced on a regular basis... is going to hinder our progress towards the next flag.

I don't care if our players are morons or have the morals of Tiger Woods. And I certainly don't look to them as 'heroes' (although kids most certainly do). I just expect them to behave as the professional athletes they are, and I expect my club to behave as a professional sporting organisation should.

I reckon Geelong supporters are MUCH happier with the culture of their club from 2006 onwards, as opposed to the way it was prior to 2006. We have much the same issues, IMO. So I'd like to see them addressed.

Based our track record, I'm not holding my breath though.

That's all well and good grro, but the reality is these blokes are ambassadors for the Carlton FC.

Carlton is in a competitive market on and off field.

Being a shithead may or may not have a major impact on the field, but it can have a massive impact off it.

So I do care what these idiots get up to on the weekend, because ultimately the club will pay for it. One way ro the other. Or both.

To be honest I don't really give a toss about what someone else's 5yo kid thinks about them, but I do care what prospective sponsors would be thinking.

The msot disappointing thing is that Carlton right now should be in a hugely strong position from which to bargain with sponsors. Upward curve competitively, the highest FTA content next year, first game of the season etc etc.

And four shitheads destabilise the situation.

Just going to delve into the "players are not robots" argument. That is true, I whole heartedly agree, players should not be transformed from humans to engineered robots that kowtow to the ridiculous expectations and demands. HOWEVER, this type of behaviour far exceeds the 'robots' argument. It is unacceptable behaviour from ANYONE, whoever you are, getting plastered and having a scene in your underwear in public, getting arrested for drunk and disorderly behaviour and becoming involved in violent punch-ups. By all means, they should be able to go out after a big year and let their hair down, it's normal, we all do it from time to time, however, you cannot tell me that this type of behaviour should be accepted from anyone. Being an AFL player is no excuse.

_________________
Premierships: 1869, 1871, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1877, 1887, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995.

"GIBBS."

Its about time these morons woke up to the damn simple fact - that its mugs like us that are their employees. No "us", no CFC, no salary - nada.

I do not begrudge the lads some time off and fully encourage them to let their hair down. Personally I'd hate to see the world I saw in the US where sports stars are seperated from the fans at all times.

But gee boys, open your flowring eyes! After the Fev incident, have at it, but be bloody discrete!

_________________
Everything before the word "but" is horseshit - J Snow

I agree the club has issues that need to be sorted out - this is where the problem lies

_________________
*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Eddie for one needs to start asking himself what he wants to achieve in his career? He has a history of being unfit and now two off field issues in 4 months. Eddie is supposed to be a leader for the aboriginal boys, shit leader if you ask me.

As for Judd, did he have words to the group prior to breaking? Maybe it's time for a new Captain as nobody seems to respect him?

This is f$&@ing ridiculous.

Mitch - he is young, somebody needs to take him under their wing and sort him out. I put thus responsibility on Judd.

Eddie - he needs to be sat down and figure out a solution to his alcohol issues. He needs Steve Johnson type treatment to his lifestyle. I put this responsibility on swann and icke, maybe with some help from sone of the old guys around the club. Maybe even an aboriginal footy mentor explayer from another club. In addition I will be happy with whatever punishment swanny dishes out

Walker - to the person saying that he should have been traded, I can bet that we tried to trade him, despite any PR spin that we wanted to stand by him during his injury. Sad to say but I think walkers potential is slowly thinning out, and he really only has himself to blame. Happy with what swanny dishes out.

Houlihan - don't really care as I have never liked him, and I can't see his contract getting renewed - at least not on favourable terms. It's pathetic that he is our most experienced player. All I want is that swanny dishes out sufficient punishment so that he doesn't influence any of the younger kids.

Judd - it's a bit much to expect him to stop 20 or so other guys from getting into trouble after they've been on a booze cruise. I would like him to give Robinson some tough love and drill a bit if respect into him, and I would like him to try and impose a bit more proffessionalism on the rest of the group rather than simply being a lead by example Puritan.

Swann - don't think that he won't hit these idiots hard. It's 2 days before Christmas ffs, this is the last thing he'd want to deal with right now. When he's had a well deserved rest I expect he will line them up and blast them. Sure they will be having a nervous wait. If he was behind the organization of the cruise, then he needs to put his hand up and ensure this crap NEVER happens again. Essendon* and the pies are visiting hospitals ffs. You can't stop players making idiots of themselves, but u can do your best not to pay for and encourage it.

Kernahan - needs to go. My only regret is that I couldn't make it to the AGM to give hima blast. Hides behind Swann and Ickes work. I don't want an average president because nobody else seems to want to stand against him. I want a president with BRAINS and BALLS and DETERMINATION who will realize this crap is strangling out club and will take whatever steps to change it. I don't credit him fir sacking fev, I criticize him for letting him go for so long, and fir not getting the trade done years ago when we could gave gotten anything we wanted in return for fev.

We have rested on our laurels with the changes that pratt achieved. Time to keep pushing and striving and lifting our game. We need a new leader to achieve that.

I don't think it's as much a respect problem, I think it is more to do with how this type of behaviour is shown disapproval by the club. It can be argued that the Fevola trading was enough 'disapproval' of this behaviour, however it took years to implement, which is still a culture left amongst the club, and perhaps a legacy contributed to by Fevola. The captain should not wear the blame and lose his top job all because of four wankstains who could not hold their alcohol. Judd had previously described himself as an introvert, generally not the type of person who rules with an iron fist like other captains in the game ala Jonathan Brown.

_________________
Premierships: 1869, 1871, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1877, 1887, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995.

"GIBBS."

And this sort of stuff from the updated page on The Age is what our culture has opened us to:

This is bullshit.


...time to start suspending players if we're serious about image and culture.

_________________
“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman

Judd being an introvert is where I'm heading ... Maybe Judd needs to start ruling with authority or move over for someone who does!

SEN just read a statement from the Club. Denying that Mitch was in another fight in Tassie.

BTW: A media release is not enough. I want to see a press conference NOW. I want to see the top of the club come out and talk about a) what happened and b) what we are doing to prevent this.

Best not to involve Sticks in this......

_________________
TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.