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Now that Fev is out for the next 2 matches, what if the boys snag 2 wins without the Fev.

You would have to wonder what message that might be sending ????

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Actually he said he was "probably off the table" and that he wouldn't take 2 1st round picks for him. That's sounds like he was setting a market to me. But hey, read into it what you want.

I would trade him if the right offer presented itself

We have heard already how his attitude is disgraceful at times and he lets the team down.

This attitude hasnt changed despite being told by the club to piss off for a week.

The thing is we have kicked big scores with him not contributing in games this year. 100 goal kickers are a thing of the past . You dont need them in todays football.

Think about it. Fev has won us a couple of games off his own boot over the last couple of seasons, but has acted like a tool in so many others that IMO the negatives outweigh the positives.

Then there is the issue of his body which will be 27 next yearand is already pretty banged up.

I reckon he has reached his peak already physically. Another reason to seek a trade.

Perhaps the club could be more flexible with a potential trade given alll these factors.

Watching Fev in the recent pies game was so frustrating because here was a guy doing things most footballers dream about. Keep him I say.


Then i change my mind

Time to change Fev's career for the club's best long term interests.

He's not getting traded so get over it.

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..it's nonsense ot believe that Fev did not contribute in the wins over the dawgs and the power p00fs.. ..some ppl switch their arguement to trade Fev provided the end result is trade Fev.. ..if he kicks bags and doesn't help the team he's selfish.. ..he helps the team and doesn't kick a bag and finally is the team player everyone demands he be, and he's not putting in.. ..that's bogus.. ..if Fev was in those two matches, i'm not sure they would have been victories.. ..never underestimate that benefit of having a top FF take the top FB's, and often 2nd defenders.. ..and even when he doesn't take extra defenders yer can bet ya hiney those defenders are splitting their attention between their direct opponent (i.e Fisher/lappin) and their FB teammate on Fev to see if theyy gotta leave their man to help out..

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You have excellent points Kahuna. I want Fev gone, but in saying that I know that in the next 1-2 years there's going to be a fall off up forward without him. However, considering we aren't likely to be anywhere near a flag in the next couple of years I can live with that.

I'd much rather have a team in every sense of the word than have a selfish, whining (albeit talented) full forward letting the rest of the team down by only trying when it suits him. His b*tching to the umps last week was the final straw for me - the ball was virtually in the goal square and he was only interested in going the ump. He doesn't get it and never will.

You better get over it because he's not going anywhere.

I couldn't agree more but I am passed the stage of worrying about it. I am sure the powers that be have made their decision one way or another.

My guess is that they have a price on his head that if someone is willing to deal they will, if not they keep him. Simple.

If he stays I just hope Ratts sits him down and puts some conditions on him that he has to stick to or else he is out no matter what.
Ratts needs to set a standard of discipline for ALL players with serious consequences if not adhered to.

Let's hope Ratts has more success where Parkins, Brittain and Pagan have failed. I'm not holding out much hope, but we'll see. IF he stays.

Oh no, Fev with bad body language issues again, wow

Yeah the mal michael instance, yes they showed on camera in slowmo about 10 times him taping his arm at the umpire, but didn't show him chasing hard for 30mtrs after michael that next split sec. Even if he didnt do that emotion to the umpire, he still wouldnt of caught michael, michael was 5m away when it happened.
Remeber the footage was shown in slow motion!!!!!!!

After you saw the 3 umpiring decisions that didn't go his way previous, its a bit hard to not have little emotion show for half a sec.


How about you guys defend Fev a little bit and maybe think about putting together a video tape of all the umpiring decisions that he did not get decisions called in his favour and match that up with the rules, and send that to the AFL for a please explain?

That would be a bit more productive then wasting your time talking about getting rid of the best forward in the league, which isn't going anywhere but Carlton. Said this 10million times, he can't get traded unless he asks for a trade or approves.

Fev only shows bad body language after he cops a few dubvious umpiring decisions!!!!. The rules are there and the umpires aren't calling those same rules, but up the other end of the ground those rules are called.

Yeah you can say hes a sook, but umpiries should not be biased in making decisions and they are for sure. Same shit happens with barry hall and they send a tape in to the AFL and that helped for a while.

I'm sick of seeing this thread. Its a waste of time.

Goltz, I was at the game last week. At the time he motioned to the umpire, the ball was a metre away from him. It had barely hit the deck and he had turned his back on the action. But I digress.

I have stuck up for Fev for years, at the game and to mates when on the tele and they've bagged him for his antics. I have always said my first preference would be a fit and fully committed Fev playing for the team. Given that isn't going to happen, I'd prefer he move on.

All the excuses you have made for him are just that - excuses. Fev acts like a tool because of x, give him a break because of y. FFS the bloke is 27 years old and should be beyond having excuses made for him everytime he stuffs up. He shouldn't BE stuffing up. He was on FC two weeks ago telling the football world he had turned the corner - for approximately the 58th time. The club has stood by him through a lot of crap (largely of his own making) and he continually lets it down.

It's exactly that 'excuse making' mentality that has led this club's list to where it is now, a CAPTAIN who needs to be dropped before he puts in an effort to get his body right, a gun full forward who thinks only of himself, and a group of kids looking at their supposed leaders like it's a circus.

I hope Ratts can turn it around, I reckon he can from what I have heard and seen with the kids.

Umm do all the fev haters on this site basically wanna get rid of him cos on two occassions hes complained to the umpire when the ball is in play. Once was in round 4 and the other was against mal michael last week

Ive seen him complain a couple other times but has been 30mtrs off the ball and not in the vacinity


Well lets get rid of the best forward in the league that every other team would have in a second cos of a couple disputes with a umpire

Yes - that should never happen complaining to the umpire when balls in play. But has only happened 2 times i have seen that he has been close to play and a couple other times 30m plus off the play

If that is all your basing your lets get rid of fev campaign then your point is a joke.

If Fev puts in 100% on the footy field thats all l care about.

The coach is happy with Fev and didnt even drag him over the mal michael incident. Didnt think anything of it. But the media wanted to jump all over it and make a story out of it

Hes an AFL footballer at the end of the day. Footballers aren't meant to be educated, moral and have high ethics in public. They are there to play football bottom line.

So if your only judging him for offield antics and 2 times complaining to the umpire when balls in play, then thats a bit of a weak argument

I hope Fev stays to pi$$ all you Fev haters off.

Fev haters

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There certainly is a case to be made for Fevola with regard to the reaming he gets from the umpires - he gets no favours from them - but as I have said before he does not do himself any favours.

Would not consider trading him - unless we got 2 first rounders for him.

But consider the fact he is still only 27 - and if we are still 3 years away from a top 4 berth - all the good full forwards like Dunstall, Locket Ablett etc were still kicking 100 goals or thereabouts at 30 odd.

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..seriously, what a crock.. ..there hasn't been a coleman medalist in the spooner team for decades.. ..and in this day and age when goals are shared around, it's even harder for a bottom side to have a coleman medalist.. ..more-so with flooding tactics and a running game, vs the positional contested footy of the past.. ..with our team coming together, Fev will potentially kick a tonne.. ..and there's a good chance if he can kick a tonne, and Fisher racks up close to a half-tonne (like he may do this year) that we can be giving the 8 a shake sooner rather than later.. ..trade Fev, and yer saying it will be later.. ..but yer know, the longer you take, the more chances injury may strike down yer gun players, or they may switch clubs.. ..when you get yer good team together as we are doing, yer gotta make the most of it while you can..

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Fevola is not a good full forward like Dunstall , Locket Ablett etc


He shows glimpse every now and then

There are about 4 or 5 blokes in front of him in the comp at the moment

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Campaign to get rid of him? You overestimate me...

Seriously though, Fev wouldn't be in the top three forwards in the league. Pav, Brown and Lloyd are better, proven, premiership players and captains. Just because he's got talent doesn't mean he's great. He COULD be the amongst the best, he isn't yet.

I am 'judging' Fev on the basis that from the second this club has drafted him, he has put himself before the club and his team mates, both on field and off. He's got away with it for a long time because we had so little talent at the club. He's always had excuses made for him because he turns on the charm when he's stuffed up, and because every once in a while he turns it on in a game and reminds us what he could be if his head was on straight.

The turning point for me is that now we have a good base of young talent in the team, and they are good kids who are having a massive crack without any kind of real leadership except what they bring themselves. It's an unfair situation the club has put them in (on a number of levels), but they are busting their guts. Things are about to turn around for them in a big way. At this point in time Fev should be the bloke they are all looking up to, instead he's a sideshow.

To reiterate something I said earlier - having Fev committed to the team in every way and remaining a Blue is my ideal outcome. I can't see him meeting that criteria - I have 8 years of track record to show it.

those blokes never had to play in flooded defences.,
You get yourself a dvd of those blokes in action... one on one.. they wernt double teamed... and Lockett would be rubbed out each week he played for 10 games till he got houndedout of the game.
They were the Golden Days for Full Forwards...Fev plays for a team thats been bottom 2 for 3 years.... the defences are flooded and there is little room to run into not whole paddocks!

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