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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:45 am 
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No point using our first pick on a key forward if there aren't any good ones.


That's why I said it would be preferential.

People have been screaming mid mid mid mid mid but once again we saw the deficiencies we have up forward.


..Boyd is talked up as a big number 1 fav. cos he's good, but also cos he sounds like the only good tall [by a fair margin].. ..after boyd it's a good range of mids and mid/flanker types, but little top end talent in regards to kpps this draft..

..dee's looking extra smart cos hogan is smashing it, and is looking by far the 'real number one' of this draft..


That's what I was saying last year but Melbourne had a high pick to trade, I guess. Critics were suggesting trading their early pick was short-sighted. Did they even know who Melbourne were getting? :confused:

I wonder whether we even looked in to the idea?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:46 am 
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what do we do if the best player available at our first pick is a half back flanker?


..if he's actually a good one, pick him.. ..and either use him to release walker/gibbs.. ..or, try and turn him into another position [most probable]..

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:19 am 
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if u want a hbfer take a midfielder
if you want a chb... take a chf

chfs can play chb or ff... chbs in the tac usually are crash and burn in the afl

hbfers in the tac dont usually make it... but a good mid can do the job....

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:26 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
what do we do if the best player available at our first pick is a half back flanker?


..if he's actually a good one, pick him.. ..and either use him to release walker/gibbs.. ..or, try and turn him into another position [most probable]..


I disagree. We've gone after kids in the past like Yarran who are never going to be midfielders. Since Chris Judd arrived at the club - how many genuine midfielders have we recruited through the National Draft?

2007 - Kreuzer, Browne, Armfield
2008 - Yarran, Robinson, O'Keeffe, Tiller
2009 - Lucas, Davies, Kerr
2010 - Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell, McInnes, Duigan
2011 - Bootsma, Rowe, Buckley
2012 - Menzel, Temay, Graham

I count three. Only one chosen in the first round. And as much as I like kids like Jack Billings and Ben Lennon in this years' draft - when it comes to midfielders - it's time to get a genuine midfielder.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:04 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:06 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
what do we do if the best player available at our first pick is a half back flanker?


..if he's actually a good one, pick him.. ..and either use him to release walker/gibbs.. ..or, try and turn him into another position [most probable]..


I disagree. We've gone after kids in the past like Yarran who are never going to be midfielders. Since Chris Judd arrived at the club - how many genuine midfielders have we recruited through the National Draft?

2007 - Kreuzer, Browne, Armfield
2008 - Yarran, Robinson, O'Keeffe, Tiller
2009 - Lucas, Davies, Kerr
2010 - Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell, McInnes, Duigan
2011 - Bootsma, Rowe, Buckley
2012 - Menzel, Temay, Graham

I count three. Only one chosen in the first round. And as much as I like kids like Jack Billings and Ben Lennon in this years' draft - when it comes to midfielders - it's time to get a genuine midfielder.


Couldn't agree more. Our list lacks genuine midfielders and this is why.

The recruitment over the past several years has been pathetic.

Mids win games ahead of anything else. The fact that we have recruited only THREE in the last 6 years is a disgrace.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:33 am 
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A little unfair to just say we have recruited "no genuine midfielders" 1st round of late.
Admit-tingly I haven't done research but my initial thought is, was there a genuine midfielder available at our pick and if so, who did we pick? My thoughts have always been best available and I feel a lot of clubs have this philosophy as well, so I would guess that would be our answer anyway.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:08 am 
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Christian Salem fits the bill for mine. Failing that, Matt Crouch I reckon could be as good as his brother, but seems a bit too same/same to what we have on the list at the moment. Didn't mind Kelly as a safe option per se either.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:16 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
A little unfair to just say we have recruited "no genuine midfielders" 1st round of late.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:31 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:32 am 
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Going forward our midfield is resting on the likes of Graham, Lucas, Gibbs, Murphy, Bell, Buckley ?????

Pretty scary. Not much there and nothing coming through. This is our biggest issue.

Look at the Sydney list. Midfielders everywhere and hard working ones with good skills.

Where are ours??

We need at least 4-5 at the end of the season and we need to keep recruiting them. When we have that we are then able to recruit on a needs basis for key position and ruck roles.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:01 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Going forward our midfield is resting on the likes of Graham, Lucas, Gibbs, Murphy, Bell, Buckley ?????

Pretty scary. Not much there and nothing coming through. This is our biggest issue.

Look at the Sydney list. Midfielders everywhere and hard working ones with good skills.

Where are ours??

We need at least 4-5 at the end of the season and we need to keep recruiting them. When we have that we are then able to recruit on a needs basis for key position and ruck roles.


So Judd, Simpson, McLean, Curnow, Carrazzo, Robinson are just going to disappear in a flash?

Based on your plan you'd have a situation where your midfield would have little to kick to besides Henderson. Sure more quality midfield depth would be nice but there is no reason why the club couldn't lean towards a key forward with its first pick and then focus on midfielders. You CAN get quality mids later; look at Hannebery.

I wouldn't be against trading our first pick for Gold Coast's Tom Lynch, but a lot of things would have to line up for that to happen.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:37 pm 
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Effes wrote:
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Going forward our midfield is resting on the likes of Graham, Lucas, Gibbs, Murphy, Bell, Buckley ?????

Pretty scary. Not much there and nothing coming through. This is our biggest issue.

Look at the Sydney list. Midfielders everywhere and hard working ones with good skills.

Where are ours??

We need at least 4-5 at the end of the season and we need to keep recruiting them. When we have that we are then able to recruit on a needs basis for key position and ruck roles.


So Judd, Simpson, McLean, Curnow, Carrazzo, Robinson are just going to disappear in a flash?



No, but are they going to improve are they and how long have they got?

Judd is past his best and probably has a year to go. 31 next season
Simpson is now a defender and a good one. 30 next season
McLean is slow, poor defensively and wont get quicker.
Curnow is a tagger at best.
Carrazzo is good but how long has he got? 30 next season
Robinson is a battering ram but not a class mid. Another poor decision maker

My point is how many will be in our next GF assault? Hard to see many of the above. :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:13 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
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Christian Salem


Not sure Rhino, sounds like he might turn the place into a soap opera


Christian Salem ? that would be a head to head contest with Jaeger O" Meara as to who had the best name in the AFL.Then again if Frankston's Khan Haretuku gets drafted it wil be a three way contest.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:20 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
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Not sure Rhino, sounds like he might turn the place into a soap opera


Christian Salem ? that would be a head to head contest with Jaeger O" Meara as to who had the best name in the AFL.Then again if Frankston's Khan Haretuku gets drafted it wil be a three way contest.


I was made to watch Days of our Lives as a kid (Salem).

A result of a grandpa passing early and having a sister and female cousins who Nan babysat. I won't even mention the dancing costumes or Gone with the Wind, Casablanca.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:34 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
if u want a hbfer take a midfielder
if you want a chb... take a chf

chfs can play chb or ff... chbs in the tac usually are crash and burn in the afl

hbfers in the tac dont usually make it... but a good mid can do the job....


I agree, it's also similar with back pockets. If 'specialist' back-flankers are really any good they are taken early-ish in the first round and they are actually exceptional utility players who find a niche in the half back line. Taking HBFs/back-pocket types who have already been past over is asking for trouble and yet we do it frequently.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:43 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
I was made to watch Days of our Lives as a kid (Salem).

A result of a grandpa passing early and having a sister and female cousins who Nan babysat. I won't even mention the dancing costumes or Gone with the Wind, Casablanca.



You're not bagging Casablanca, are you? :sly:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:47 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
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I was made to watch Days of our Lives as a kid (Salem).

A result of a grandpa passing early and having a sister and female cousins who Nan babysat. I won't even mention the dancing costumes or Gone with the Wind, Casablanca.



You're not bagging Casablanca, are you? :sly:


No. In fact my daughters name is Scarlett, Gone with the Wind influence :-)


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Synbad wrote:
if u want a hbfer take a midfielder
if you want a chb... take a chf

chfs can play chb or ff... chbs in the tac usually are crash and burn in the afl

hbfers in the tac dont usually make it... but a good mid can do the job....



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:02 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
what do we do if the best player available at our first pick is a half back flanker?


..if he's actually a good one, pick him.. ..and either use him to release walker/gibbs.. ..or, try and turn him into another position [most probable]..


I disagree. We've gone after kids in the past like Yarran who are never going to be midfielders. Since Chris Judd arrived at the club - how many genuine midfielders have we recruited through the National Draft?

2007 - Kreuzer, Browne, Armfield
2008 - Yarran, Robinson, O'Keeffe, Tiller
2009 - Lucas, Davies, Kerr
2010 - Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell, McInnes, Duigan
2011 - Bootsma, Rowe, Buckley
2012 - Menzel, Temay, Graham

I count three. Only one chosen in the first round. And as much as I like kids like Jack Billings and Ben Lennon in this years' draft - when it comes to midfielders - it's time to get a genuine midfielder.


Couldn't agree more. Our list lacks genuine midfielders and this is why.

The recruitment over the past several years has been pathetic.

Mids win games ahead of anything else. The fact that we have recruited only THREE in the last 6 years is a disgrace.



That drafting record is diabolical!


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