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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2025 8:00 am 
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I have long thought compensation picks are a joke for free agency and totally defeat the purpose, however I reckon there's a solution.

Don't award compensation picks, award points. Points that can be traded, or held for 3 years for an academy/father son.

That way where you finished had no bearing on the compensation (as it shouldn't).

Eg we lose TDK, we get 3500pts

We can trade those for overs for a club that really needs them for a pick, or hold onto them for Cody next year.

Will still need a level of makey uppy to determine but west Coast aren't getting pick for Oscar allen, nor Brisbane 19 for starcevic or whatever.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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How do they formulate the compensation… does anyone know?

So TDK on 1.7 m a year, surely that beats what Brisbane is offering for Oscar Allen?

Is it based on where the club finished on the ladder? What compo you get?

Anyone know if there are other criteria?
Cause Oscar Allen now has Gallop for competition.. might not rven be top dog there such is their riches.


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
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It's the contract amount and age isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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missnaut wrote:
It's the contract amount and age isn't it?


Ok, then the 2018 premiers should get about pick 14/15 for Oscar Allen then based on
1-contract amount
2-age

Good to know.


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
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Contract and age determines band 1,band 2 etc.

The ACTUAL pick is related to the current pick you hold, so Oscar Allen, band 1, pick allocated after wce Rd 1 pick.

TDK - band 1,pick allocated after what would have been Carlton Rd 1 Pick (ie, after pick 8).

JSOS band 2 - end of Rd 1 compo after everyone has had a pick/would have had a pick.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bluehammer wrote:
I have long thought compensation picks are a joke for free agency and totally defeat the purpose, however I reckon there's a solution.

Don't award compensation picks, award points. Points that can be traded, or held for 3 years for an academy/father son.

That way where you finished had no bearing on the compensation (as it shouldn't).

Eg we lose TDK, we get 3500pts

We can trade those for overs for a club that really needs them for a pick, or hold onto them for Cody next year.

Will still need a level of makey uppy to determine but west Coast aren't getting pick for Oscar allen, nor Brisbane 19 for starcevic or whatever.

I like this. The AFL wouldn't have this year because they might have had to give us value near to what the players received in their new contracts

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2025 1:15 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
It's the contract amount and age isn't it?

- Average yearly salary for the contract, compared to all contracts from the most recent season. Band 1 is top 5% (30-odd players in this group)
- Age of the player, with 25yo being the highest. Contemplate the maths on that one - minimum draft age 18yo, plus minimum service of eight years…
- Length of the contract, with five years being the highest band. No further points for contracts longer than five years.

Tom’s contract is DOUBLE the cut off for Band 1 compensation.

We should, if there is one out there, be able to add a Band 1 free agent without diluting the compensation given.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bluehammer wrote:
I have long thought compensation picks are a joke for free agency and totally defeat the purpose, however I reckon there's a solution.

Don't award compensation picks, award points. Points that can be traded, or held for 3 years for an academy/father son.

That way where you finished had no bearing on the compensation (as it shouldn't).

Eg we lose TDK, we get 3500pts

We can trade those for overs for a club that really needs them for a pick, or hold onto them for Cody next year.

Will still need a level of makey uppy to determine but west Coast aren't getting pick for Oscar allen, nor Brisbane 19 for starcevic or whatever.

This would be far too sensible for the current establishment.

They’d have to commission another million dollar report from the Canadian statisticians.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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I can't get angry about this.
We drafted DeKoning at #30 and got #9 for him eight years later. We drafted Silvagni at #53 and got #19 for him nine years later.
Regardless of what other teams end up with that's perfectly decent.
Sometimes things work out for us, sometimes they don't.


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
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No I agree, it's great for us this time round.

But the Buddy #18, James Frawley #2, Oscar Allen #2 anomalies need to go.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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If Curnow met Geelong officials mid-season do you think Geelong would have preferred for his form to drop off after mid-season to make it easier to engineer a deal? Would they subtly mention form options?

I wonder if Curnow thinks about the poor record of runners-up after being thrashed in a GF.
For some, it would diminish interest in the club.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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tap in 79 wrote:
If Curnow met Geelong officials mid-season do you think Geelong would have preferred for his form to drop off after mid-season to make it easier to engineer a deal? Would they subtly mention form options?

I wonder if Curnow thinks about the poor record of runners-up after being thrashed in a GF.
For some, it would diminish interest in the club.


Wouldn’t care what they mention about his for, you want him, pay up or shut up


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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If we do trade Curnow to Sydney for (amongst other things) pick 10 (11 after Allen compo), we might be able to get one of Richmond’s picks.

We’d have to find the Dean & Ison points elsewhere, but if our 2nd & 3rd round picks next year won’t help us land Walker, we may as well bring them forward.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Crusader wrote:
but if our 2nd & 3rd round picks next year won’t help us land Walker,


To have uncertainty about what's required for next years points at this stage is bloody amateur at best.
How can you go into a trade period armed with 3 years of picks without knowing the value of one year ahead? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Yes agree BV absolute amateur hour and shows how unprofessional the AFL IS compared to other global sports

Still run by very ordinary performers who make arbitrary decisions on the fly and governed by a very ordinary board -the AFL Commission
-Who lack vision and have little or no regards to the stakeholders who support the sport


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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If a club was switched on, it would have a letter ready to be sent first thing Monday morning when the trade period opens.

It would highlight the fact that current trading for FS & Acadamy can now not be modified for the next 2 years due to trading commenced and everything being equal the process has begun allowing teams to manage their picks for such a period.

Statement ends. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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SurreyBlue wrote:
If a club was switched on, it would have a letter ready to be sent first thing Monday morning when the trade period opens.

It would highlight the fact that current trading for FS & Acadamy can now not be modified for the next 2 years due to trading commenced and everything being equal the process has begun allowing teams to manage their picks for such a period.

Statement ends. :wink:
And the AFL will have a response ready to go too.

"dear clubs... We invoke makey uppey, clause 76.

Unlucky

Signed,
AFL"

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Any legal team would have the AFL done at this minute and they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Just need to pull the trigger and stand for what is right.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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SurreyBlue wrote:
If a club was switched on, it would have a letter ready to be sent first thing Monday morning when the trade period opens.

It would highlight the fact that current trading for FS & Acadamy can now not be modified for the next 2 years due to trading commenced and everything being equal the process has begun allowing teams to manage their picks for such a period.

Statement ends. :wink:


Two years?

Surely five is more appropriate.

We can call it the Arli Walker clause. :grin:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Hats off to Austin & Critters with the video ‘update’. It’s not easy to cobble together 9min of sweet @#$%&! all.

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