I didn't over think it. Too much other shit going on at the time.

If you want to look Voss' reason for moving was to hide, how can I prove that wrong? On the flipside how can you prove that right?

Don't worry about about it too much Des.

Like Chris Scott said after the Carlton game in round 15, only 10 rounds ago....That was the worst defeat he has experienced in his life time as a coach, but, things are not as bad as they seem and not as good as they seem.

We faded at the wrong end of the season. I'm sure injuries was the biggest reason for the decline.

The silly match day decisions reeked of someone desperate to do something different. Vossy will have to cop our thoughts of his match day effort as he will from the media. He can't escape the obvious mistakes he made. Lets hope this is a situation we can turn around quick...with an improved game plan and personnel available when it matters in 2025.

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Went and hid? That’s a stretch

Maybe realised he was missing something

i think we're not being responsible if we just write this season off as "we're not as bad as we think" and injuries.


our gameplan is abysmal. we have no system and rely on the individual which is why we have to bring in big name players when they're underdone and can't go with kids the same way, say geelong can.

Well put BB

Yeap, fair enough…I’m sure I’ll get over it at some point….

Apparently got into the group for lack of intensity and endeavour at the end of the game.
He should look at his own decision making i think first.

Yes , very well put Bondi . In a nutshell , Voss faaarked up big time and he's gotta wear it . And I'm a Voss fan . As you say Bondi , he's gotta take it onboard and work through it . Voss is such a determined character I reckon he will come through this for the better .

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Give me a break. Talk about sacking the only coach who has had us in consecutive finals series for yonks.
IMHO, anyone who believes injuries haven't significantly dragged our season down is kidding themselves.
Out of the 5 teams who had the least amount of games missed by their best 22, 3 are in the top 4.
Last years premiers missed the 8 and they had less total games missed and significantly less games missed by top 22 players.

As I said earlier in the season, I believe our players were mismanaged and it came back to haunt us. Players mentioned numerous times that they train harder than they play. That's lunacy. The pre-season is the time to build fitness. During the season should be about recovery, load management and strategic/skill development. That's on the strength/fitness staff IMO.

We know/suspect Voss isn't a great tactician. But neither is McRae, Goodwin or Fagan. 2 have won flags recently and the other quite possibly could win this years flag. The days of one person having all the say has gone. (look at Malthouse!)
Voss is a football department leader. His role is to get the best people in the roles that suit them best and to empower them to deliver. If they don't, get someone better.
There are no coaches in the AFL that do it all. Even Chris Scott and Ross Lyon have admitted they've stepped back from the strategic control.

I believe our squad is good enough to win a flag. We have shown that if it's a stoppage game, we have strengths and we also demonstrated that with a decent team on the field, we can be the best turnover team in the AFL. The team is far more adaptable than many here would want you to believe.
I understand posters are pissed. FMD, I sat there in the stands watching it unfold with Brisbane Lions @#$%&! wits all around me. I feel your pain but lets keep perspective.
It's not a pattern. It's a one off. We won 2 close finals last year. We needed a double chance but we couldn't get there. Looking at the positives, our kids showed they have heart when they come into the team so the future is still bright.

As for selection. The TDK situation did my head in but I understand the rest of the selections. Our team played out off their skins in Round 24 for 4 full quarters. But we still couldn't beat the 12th placed Saints in our home state. We needed to roll the dice. It didn't work but I understand the reasoning. If we went in with the same kids and got pumped, no doubt some posters would be whinging that we didn't roll the dice with the bigger bodies.

Personally, I'll get over it, look forward to the trade/draft period and wish the best to the players who will lose their livelihoods tomorrow.
Let's not shit the bed and demand a total blow up of the club. We're still in the window. Our best players are still in their prime and we have some top shelf father son/NGA players coming in the next 2 or 3 years. We had 1 player older than 30 on Saturday night. I'm expecting huge improvement next year with a decent run of injury..

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c'mon mate. this is no place for a considered and reasonable approach.

What makes you think he didn't ? Whether he did or didn't he still is well within his rights to read the riot act after that putrid effort .

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Voss swung for the fences and struck out, but that alone can't explain being 10 goals to zip before 1/2 time.
Selection mishaps shouldn't make our players forget how to football.

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I’m half with you BV
But Voss needs tactical help
The coaching group needs tinkering
And selection integrity must happen
Binns deserved to be played for a full game before he had too
Based on his output and the lack
Of output of the senior team
In other words you earn your spot based on efforts not pay packets and coach favoritism

A good read BV but I will NEVER understand 2 selections...Docherty should never have played. When was the last time a team brought a player into the team who hadn't played a single game of football at any level for 24 weeks (and I've deliberately not even gone down the path of a 6 month ACL comeback)
There may well be some wriggle room in sport for sentiment or emotion but I'm calling it out...the moment Doc told Voss back in May that he wanted to play finals, he made it all about himself...and then, Voss in his ill conceived wisdon ceded to Doc. IDGAF how many boxes he ticked...he had not played a game in 6 months!!!!!!!!

Cincotta had no reason to be dropped IMHO...apart from the obvious tags he could've undertaken, he has a finals mentality and follows instructions to the letter (regardless of the odd implementation/execution error).
Cerra was another who should not have played (maybe Lord???), and you can take your pick between the 3 useless small fwds if you wanted to drop someone else for Moir

This is not hindsight thinking. The selections were baffling and concerning Thursday night. As much as we bag the media, in unison they were very critical of the selections

Add TDK sub and Kennedy taken off when those 3 useless small fwds were doing nothing points alot toward Voss' error laden preparation

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Sports are played above the shoulders and Carlton are the exemplar template of that...rightly or wrongly. it's human nature

Do I believe that with the resources at his disposal, Voss maximised our chances of winning (from a personnel, strategy and team cohesion POV)?

Absolutely not

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As much as anyone on our list voss needs to strp up and improve his gane. Hes notan experienced head coach, so needs some mentoring i think from another great coach. His coaching decisions leave the common man thinking wtf, and they dont work (and just seem lazy to me like an im me so whatrver attitude)... He needs to learn strategy and tactics BADLY as he has no idea on that

Sack the Coach ? the only blokes wanting the Coach sacked are the ones who didn't want him in the first place so naturally they are up in arms . But yeah , you are correct BV , Voss has been virtually fighting with one hand tied behind his back since he walked into the joint .

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i think voss has enough deficiencies in his coaching, where he is the one fighting with one hand, mick.


i hope we keep voss - he's a lock to stay for 2025, but he's in the hot seat. one big fall, and the board will have to sack him. we need to release from their contracts the mids coach and hansen, imo. but i'm not sure cfc will have the balls to do this while they're still contracted.


i'm pretty confident this coaching group cannot take us to a flag as currently constructed. from MC selection to gameday tactics and system. it's not a winning combination.

We’ve all been pretty confident of a number of things, only to see them turn out differently. The board is full of our ‘blurts’.

Would love to see some things fine tuned, however I’ve experienced enough good to believe that by and large we are on the right track. Im backing us to make some tough calls (and ha ha, lets see that turn out differently too)

this is a pretty good read. you could argue against a few points for sure ... but the crux of the argument here is pretty damning and hard to ignore. the team selection was wrong on saturday night, full stop.

but also our use of the bench in 2024, and the lack of tactical awareness we consider to that position. and also, how much CAP we have invested into top line talent, which leaves our bottom 6 not quite up to it.

so, maybe a better distribution of our cap and coaching changes are needed?

imo, we have to improve our woeful stoppage defense, and overall team defense if we're any chance in 2025. i'd be firing at least one coach and brining in a new voice & coaching perspective as a minimum.

https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2024/2024/09/09/the-elimination-final-post-mortem-why-carlton-are-in-for-a-world-of-hurt/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFNsVtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHW1giMN6aoJvJ0qGifA76pddPmKYvKRcHR3Eu20Vci5BCBXAMjjvTMXY9g_aem_RCIQEOXSnYZVjhPtt-Fp-w