Voss needs new assistant coaches 1 defensive coach should be a priority . long kick to wing only for opposition to send it strait back ( how many F.... games )

He also needs a strategist

He has to want to change, or it won’t happen. If he believes steadfastly that he is correct he might be prepared to die in that hill.

I hope that not the case because it’ll be another wasted opportunity

I haven't heard if TDK's foot has been further damaged, or if Doc's knee failed on him on Saturday night.

This week's injury list will be interesting.

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Yep, I get the pain
And I’m not sure we’ll receive the de-brief either

Well said Keogh

We lost our integrity at the selection table

It’s pretty obvious to me where Voss has failed

Our transition game both defensively and offensively is ordinary

It’s the reason why the opposition can easily find space where our forwards find it difficult to separate

Voss has been fortunate that we have some brilliant players such as Cripps who have papered over our lack of system and cohesion

I have no doubt in my mind that premierships are won on culture and game and player development. There is a greater chance that a so called ordinary player will be more effective at Geelong than Carlton. The reason why they are perennial contenders and we rely heavily on early draft picks and player trades.

To paraphrase a term from Chris Scott, it's never as good as it seems (post-Geelong game at R15) and it's never as bad as it seems (now).

I'm not around here that much these days but I reckon it's a fair bet Voss had most of your support a couple of months ago.

I do acknowledge that we've fallen away badly since then, but both Voss and this list have shown they can deliver.

I agree that we [REDACTED] up at the selection table this week but we also need to acknowledge that we don't have the information on player fitness as the club does. However, irrespective of that, I think it was poor that we flicked so many of the young fellas who were good performers in the last few rounds. Reward for effort/selection integrity/whatever you want to call it, my opinion, we buggered that up.

And making TdK sub, then taking Kennedy off to put TdK on is such a balls up it's the reverse angle of I see it but I don't believe it.

But…

I don't think we get anything positive at this stage from instability. We need the Pres, CEO and coach in alignment, everything around that is up for grabs though. And it might seem like Voss is not being held accountable but I expect the club (at least Sayers and Cook) is smarter than that.

I do think consistency is a worthy discussion point too. Consistency of player availability is as important as on ground effort too in some ways.

Anyway, I get that we're all disappointed and there are some clear and deserved criticisms for Voss this week, but I am surprised by the pile on.

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Agree
Stability is important
But it’s obvious Voss needs an old head who has tactical nouse to help him out
Who knows who that could be
But Voss is clearly got some deficiencies as a coach
That’s where the right assistant can be a big positive

I disagree. I think by keeping Voss, who’s going to be under extreme pressure having overseen the shitshow that was Saturday night, you risk him going into self preservation mode. He’ll be even less inclined to change because he’ll need to prove everyone wrong.

As for having to get a coach to fix his deficiencies, maybe just admit he’s not the right guys and get the right one in.

Choco Williams made up for Goodwin’s deficiencies
McCrae isn’t a great tactical coach either but his assistants help out

You have to have the right mix and their willing to listen to
Each other
I don’t think we have the right mix
Replacing Voss is re inventing the wheel
Haven’t we done enough of that

You’re in the money Keogh

Voss has some deficiencies, let’s support those and build around him.

There is more upside to invest around him with the right changes than divesting of him and starting over

Replacing the coach every 3-5 years hasn't worked since 2001.

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you don't keep the wrong coach, just bcos we've not gotten the right coach in 2 decades?


i think we should keep voss for one more year, but get a better number 2 coach to sit in the box and do all the gameday tactical stuff, and come up with a new system for voss to implement.

thing is, that isn't easy. not too many assistant coaches don't want the bright lights and reap the spoils of their work in the media & the payday (ie be head coach) ... i only really know of two that didn't mind - choco and carracella.

so once again, we're looking for a unicorn. and by that logic, we're better off finding a new head coach before we waste 2025 - which will be imo, cripp's last season before he starts to drop off.

Voss referenced Docs cancer battle again in the post match presser. He looked emotional.
I suspect he let his emotions and his heart get in the way of his head during the week last week. I also suspect he felt Doc needed to be rewarded for the effort he had put in to get back so quickly, similar to him beating cancer and being ready for round one. I don't think he had the heart to tell Doc he wasn't ready to play.
I'm not going to hang him for being human and displaying empathy. But he needs to learn to be
1. More ruthless with his team selection
2. More trusting of the younger brigade during the home and away season so that comes finals they have been exposed to some big matches already and can be trusted to do a job if required.

What are Voss’ strengths as a senior coach?

He’s either easily led to make poor decisions or makes them himself.

If that shit on Saturday is a demonstration of his leadership and ability to motivate then that’s a failure too.

We got to get past who he was as a player 20 years ago and judge him on what he is capable of now.

I don’t think he has it.

my gut says the same.

the times of our win streaks, he was almost forced into them, by not having the players he wanted available. as soon as he had a healthy (ish) list, he'd revert back his big dinosaurs, moving one speed, but owning the stoppage with brutality that isn't sustainable over 24 games per season.

our best - the 9 game winstreak in '23 and going 9-0 with tdk and no pittonet this season, we were a high pressure team, with excellent turnover, and for one 5 game streak, we were #1 offense and #2 defensive team in the afl.

and then voss veers away from that proven gf winning formula, and reverts back to his bash them (and ourselves in the process) brand of footy.


we make much of russell being bad at his job ... but we need to acknowledge Voss's gameplan was just as horrendous and unrealistic and caused much of russell's woes. if the new guy can't get us fit under this playstyle, what then?


my gut says we've peaked under voss. winning 23 from 27 games was our high water mark.


2025 is a big year. another long bomb, bash them at the coalface and play the wings slow, won't cut it. voss will be fired by midyear - and then we're scrambling to save the season.


it's all a shitshow.

This is largely my thinking as well.

Trouble with replacing coaches is the sunk cost. You need to give them 3 years, minimum.

Agree that it's very often a circus when a coach is just over a year away from the end of their contract, but that's on the club (CEO/Pres) to be strong enough to manage that as required.

It's easy to say a incumbent coach is shit, it's very difficult to guarantee one who's not before they get the job.

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yeah, it's impossible, otherwise every team would have a gun coach.

I don't agree with replacing Voss, yes there was an outside view of a tactical error in selection this week but let's be honest, we were never going to win anyway.
Our season was cooked with consistent injuries, what was it 4 players who played the whole season, you just can't have that.
However, Voss needs better assistants and better tactical advice from them.
If they are all contracted until 2025, then surely we can encourage a couple of them to walk at least.
But then again consistency is the key here, we need to get away from moving all the pieces all the time or we will never find the issues and address them properly.
All I can say is, while we have Cook here I feel comfortable that we won't be making any stupid mistakes at this level like we have done repeatedly in the last 20 odd years.