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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 11:20 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
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Hewett, Newman, Haynes, Fogarty, Acres and McLovin.


Looking at the list, the answer is clear: poach Sydney players. And maybe Geelong (although we did take some duds from them, Smedts and someone else I've forgotten...)

More so Sydney for me.
Geelong will only trade us the ones that don't work.


Yeah, agreed. I just wanted to be generous to Fog, who was pivotal to our "success" for a while. With Sydney you get the go-home factor that may make wanted players available. Geelong not so much.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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At least the move of SOJ to defence as our 2nd KPD has worked.
Also the move of Kemp forward, even though that might have been sparked by player availability.


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 1:14 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
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Hewett, Newman, Haynes, Fogarty, Acres and McLovin.


Looking at the list, the answer is clear: poach Sydney players. And maybe Geelong (although we did take some duds from them, Smedts and someone else I've forgotten...)


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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That's the one. OK, forget Geelong.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 5:01 pm 
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Carlton need to put Newman on the LTI and take a pick in the mid season draft. Pick the best skilled player available (let’s be honest we’ll be near the start of the queue) and play them. Whatever position they play.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 6:05 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
Carlton need to put Newman on the LTI and take a pick in the mid season draft. Pick the best skilled player available (let’s be honest we’ll be near the start of the queue) and play them. Whatever position they play.


That would actually be smart. Usually the first 3 or 4 in the midseason draft turn out to be pretty good.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 7:29 pm 
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I watched about 5 minutes of Port Melbourne v Frankston just now and saw a few players moving with pace through the middle, putting together nice handball chains. One of the Port blokes finished a run by sidestepping an opponent and nailing the goal from 50m. Let's pick him.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:09 am 
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I've done some modelling on our salary cap.

I've made the following assumptions in thousands$ in 2025 (please edit closer to the pin). Not sure if White, O'Keefe.... are rookies or not

1000 Cripps
900 Weitering
900 McKay
900 Curnow
650 Walsh
600 Williams......front ended payments (2021-2022) from 900
600 Saad

350 Pittonet
350 Acres
300 E. Hollands
250 Young
200 Boyd
200 Durdin
200 Cottrell
200 Fogarty

Draftees initial contract are all on min $150 plus $5K per game

280 Cowan
200 L. Campo
180 O.Hollands
150 Smith
160 Moir
150 Charleson....Rookie....Not all counted in cap???
180 B. Campo
180 Binns
160 Carroll
280 Motlop
150 O'Keefe
150 O'Farrell
0 Duffy .......NGA not counted in SC.



Expiring contracts end 2025

800 DeKoning
600 Cerra
600 Docherty
400 Hewett
400 Newman
350 McGovern....2 year extension from 700K
350 Silvagni
300 Haynes
300 Kemp
250 Fantasia
200 Cincotta ..... he's on rookie wages. Not all counted in cap???
250 Lord
200 White
200 Evans

150 Lemmey........ (min) plus $5K per game
150 Wilson ...........(min) plus $5K per game
0 Monohan.........NGA excluded from cap

$ 5.6M coming off contract come years end

$17.5M is salary cap
$16.6M is 95% salary cap

$900K banking if not spending more than 95%

If Austin has been banking 5% for 5 years it may be around $3.7M assuming the above is close.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 1:33 pm 
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Clubs get a discount on rookie contracts (it was the first $80k, but may have changed). They’re not excluded form the TPP.

International rookies are also included in the TPP.

Two chances - Buckley’s and none - that Austin has been banking cash with the new CBA kicking in. All clubs were given an extra couple of million & they’ll get a couple more over the next five years.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Crusader wrote:
Clubs get a discount on rookie contracts (it was the first $80k, but may have changed). They’re not excluded form the TPP.

International rookies are also included in the TPP.

Two chances - Buckley’s and none - that Austin has been banking cash with the new CBA kicking in. All clubs were given an extra couple of million & they’ll get a couple more over the next five years.


I would put it this way Cru. I would think that whatever wasn't spent above 95% is banked. Whatever it is. I also would think he would have a plan before Tassie comes in regardless of new CBA.

If its the plan, and we don't know for sure, and that includes Buckley at Sorrento, its a good plan. I didn't come up with this. I heard he hasnt spent it all.

What's your thoughts on the contracted figures above?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Stefchook wrote:
At least the move of SOJ to defence as our 2nd KPD has worked.
Also the move of Kemp forward, even though that might have been sparked by player availability.


Great moves. I will say, I was doubtful re: SOS but the guys just knows footy. :grin:
I think Kemp has also found his spot, just happy for the guy.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:39 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Clubs get a discount on rookie contracts (it was the first $80k, but may have changed). They’re not excluded form the TPP.

International rookies are also included in the TPP.

Two chances - Buckley’s and none - that Austin has been banking cash with the new CBA kicking in. All clubs were given an extra couple of million & they’ll get a couple more over the next five years.


I would put it this way Cru. I would think that whatever wasn't spent above 95% is banked. Whatever it is. I also would think he would have a plan before Tassie comes in regardless of new CBA.

If its the plan, and we don't know for sure, and that includes Buckley at Sorrento, its a good plan. I didn't come up with this. I heard he hasnt spent it all.

What's your thoughts on the contracted figures above?

I think you’re unders on Cripps, Weitering, Cerra, the 2x internationals & anyone else that was signed to a long-term deal before the CBA raised the ceiling. Fairly common for top players to be earning a % of TPP, as opposed to fixed amounts.

Overs on White, Evans, Lord, Carroll, Lucas & Ben.

Clubs have to seek permission from HQ to spend less than the full whack. Nobody gives a @#$%&! if it’s the no-hoper clubs like Norf, but it’ll be woven into every article if it’s Carlton - especially when the narrative is 10% wheat, 90% chaff.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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We could have had that Saad guy that the cheats picked last year, who was it we picked instead?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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sinbagger wrote:
We could have had that Saad guy that the cheats picked last year, who was it we picked instead?

Cooper Lord.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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sinbagger wrote:
We could have had that Saad guy that the cheats picked last year, who was it we picked instead?


We got Cooper Lord.

He moves pretty well, carved us up last year in the seconds just after he was drafted mid year, would have played seniors last year if he didn't get injured.

Back to Carlton, so we are currently bottom 3 and we don't have a first round draft pick at this stage for this years draft?????


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:05 pm 
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Blue4ever wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
We could have had that Saad guy that the cheats picked last year, who was it we picked instead?


We got Cooper Lord.

He moves pretty well, carved us up last year in the seconds just after he was drafted mid year, would have played seniors last year if he didn't get injured.

Back to Carlton, so we are currently bottom 3 and we don't have a first round draft pick at this stage for this years draft?????


Correct. We will have trade our way back in, or use whatever compo we get for TDK if he goes. Which, knowing how the afl like to make shit up, it will probably be pick 73

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 5:34 am 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Clubs get a discount on rookie contracts (it was the first $80k, but may have changed). They’re not excluded form the TPP.

International rookies are also included in the TPP.

Two chances - Buckley’s and none - that Austin has been banking cash with the new CBA kicking in. All clubs were given an extra couple of million & they’ll get a couple more over the next five years.


I would put it this way Cru. I would think that whatever wasn't spent above 95% is banked. Whatever it is. I also would think he would have a plan before Tassie comes in regardless of new CBA.

If its the plan, and we don't know for sure, and that includes Buckley at Sorrento, its a good plan. I didn't come up with this. I heard he hasnt spent it all.

What's your thoughts on the contracted figures above?

I think you’re unders on Cripps, Weitering, Cerra, the 2x internationals & anyone else that was signed to a long-term deal before the CBA raised the ceiling. Fairly common for top players to be earning a % of TPP, as opposed to fixed amounts.

Overs on White, Evans, Lord, Carroll, Lucas & Ben.

Clubs have to seek permission from HQ to spend less than the full whack. Nobody gives a @#$%&! if it’s the no-hoper clubs like Norf, but it’ll be woven into every article if it’s Carlton - especially when the narrative is 10% wheat, 90% chaff.


Carroll Lucas and Ben are right
White an LTI could be less
And Carroll should be right to

Cerra signed for 600 despit Freo offering 650
That contract ends this year.

Cripps maybe 100 more, ditto Weiters bringing him to $1M
22 players over a Million
3 players over 1.2M Martin Lynch back ended so wouldn’t be Weiters or Crippa.

I’ve asked around a bit over the summer, and I’ll complete with any adjustments.

I don’t think we are much over 95% in 2025.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Crusader wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
We could have had that Saad guy that the cheats picked last year, who was it we picked instead?

Cooper Lord.


I really wanted El Hawli in the draft when he was still there, but Effendopes had the earlier pick in the MSD.

Speed to burn

Oh well

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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If we didn't talk to Matt Rowell, this is the stuff that annoys me.
The kid grew up supporting Carlton and would be the perfect addition to our midfield.
Strong, aggressive inside and outside player that has speed and can kick goals.
I'd trade Harry and some for him.

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The 23-year-old is understood to have met with Victorian clubs last off-season, including Geelong, Collingwood, Essendon* and the Western Bulldogs – who all want to lure him back to his home state – in order to make an informed decision on his future.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1291006/more-ball-more-damage-the-numbers-that-show-gold-coast-suns-matt-rowell-on-the-rise


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
We could have had that Saad guy that the cheats picked last year, who was it we picked instead?

Cooper Lord.


I really wanted El Hawli in the draft when he was still there, but Effendopes had the earlier pick in the MSD.

Speed to burn

Oh well

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I wanted him also.
We picked Lord at pick 9.
El-Hawli was pick 13.


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