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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:33 am 
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McVeigh is rarely tagged. First port of call is Hanneberry, then Kennedy. We put a fair bit of time into Jetta, but Jack and especially Parker were also massive.

McVeigh has the versatility that if you are stopping him in the midfield, he will simply go forward or more than often half-back and have the same influence.

Bearing in mind there is also ROK and Mitchell that cant get games, Bird, McGlynn and Cunningham who tore us up in the final last year.

Usually the criticism this week is we run with too many tags, now its apparently not enough....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:34 am 
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woof wrote:
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Our indifferent midfield with the following possession count:

Bell - 14
Judd- 13
McLean - 11
Ellard/Graham - 11 (combined)


Whilst Kennedy 41 and McVeigh 29 (does anyone ever think to tag this guy when we play Sydney) just about says it all.

Our midfield are never prepared to or just can't work hard enough against Sydney, it's an embarrassing indictment on this club.


What happened to Gibbs and Murphy?



Don't worry about Gibbs and Murphy, just check the possession count of Sydney's 2nd tier midfielders on the night. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:46 am 
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But MM loves little Davey Ellard. He works so hard. He puts it all out there. (the little that he has). Thats all that matters really.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:47 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
McVeigh is rarely tagged. First port of call is Hanneberry, then Kennedy. We put a fair bit of time into Jetta, but Jack and especially Parker were also massive.

McVeigh has the versatility that if you are stopping him in the midfield, he will simply go forward or more than often half-back and have the same influence.

Bearing in mind there is also ROK and Mitchell that cant get games, Bird, McGlynn and Cunningham who tore us up in the final last year.

Usually the criticism this week is we run with too many tags, now its apparently not enough....


hanneberry is their tagger (run with) and wasn't playing and mcveigh is basically unstoppable and that is why micky ignores him, fair enough we should have saved the plane fare and just stayed in melbourne and planned for north instead


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:48 am 
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What I really noticed was that at EVERY contest while we tried to bullock the ball FORWARD and either lost it or caused a ball up, the Swans always handpased BACKWARD until they were free and then ran it out around the contest. And there was always a free swans player at the back of the contest no matter how many times they had to handpass backwards there was always a free player at the end of the chain. Sometimes the swans players did not even look, they just handpassed backwards blind because they knew there would be team mate there.

Crap coaching blues.


Not much point in us copying the Swanies in this instance. Have you seen the quality of our handballing?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:52 am 
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redback wrote:
hanneberry is their tagger (run with)


:?

Bird is the one that usually has a tagging role; McGlynn sometimes.

Hannebery gets tagged because he's so damaging.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:52 am 
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cortez wrote:
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What I really noticed was that at EVERY contest while we tried to bullock the ball FORWARD and either lost it or caused a ball up, the Swans always handpased BACKWARD until they were free and then ran it out around the contest. And there was always a free swans player at the back of the contest no matter how many times they had to handpass backwards there was always a free player at the end of the chain. Sometimes the swans players did not even look, they just handpassed backwards blind because they knew there would be team mate there.

Crap coaching blues.


Not much point in us copying the Swanies in this instance. Have you seen the quality of our handballing?



this was part of mickys game plan at the pies, he must of forgotten about it :lol: wake up mick


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:21 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Our indifferent midfield with the following possession count:

Bell - 14
Judd- 13
McLean - 11
Ellard/Graham - 11 (combined)


Whilst Kennedy 41 and McVeigh 29 (does anyone ever think to tag this guy when we play Sydney) just about says it all.

Our midfield are never prepared to or just can't work hard enough against Sydney, it's an embarrassing indictment on this club.

Don't know about the others, but Judd went on strike. I think he had one possession in the 2nd half and that was in the 4th quarter when he burst through the middle and almost slotted one, just to show he was ok.

If ever there was a guy out to prove a point about something, that was it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:26 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
McVeigh is rarely tagged. First port of call is Hanneberry, then Kennedy. We put a fair bit of time into Jetta, but Jack and especially Parker were also massive.

McVeigh has the versatility that if you are stopping him in the midfield, he will simply go forward or more than often half-back and have the same influence.

Bearing in mind there is also ROK and Mitchell that cant get games, Bird, McGlynn and Cunningham who tore us up in the final last year.

Usually the criticism this week is we run with too many tags, now its apparently not enough....

And don't forget Jude Bolton. He can't get a game either..... :razz:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:52 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
McVeigh is rarely tagged. First port of call is Hanneberry, then Kennedy. We put a fair bit of time into Jetta, but Jack and especially Parker were also massive.

McVeigh has the versatility that if you are stopping him in the midfield, he will simply go forward or more than often half-back and have the same influence.

Bearing in mind there is also ROK and Mitchell that cant get games, Bird, McGlynn and Cunningham who tore us up in the final last year.

Usually the criticism this week is we run with too many tags, now its apparently not enough....

And don't forget Jude Bolton. He can't get a game either..... :razz:



Bob Skilton is struggling to crack a game for them at the moment, but he is after all rising 76, although probably would make it in our current starting midfield at the present time.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:55 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
We have bigger issues than worrying about MM behaviour or manner with journalists....

What about franklin poleaxing our captain......what message does that send?


What about Franklin making sure he shouldered into Jamo after kicking one his goals, then walking around Yarran while sharing a joke with him immediately after?

No passion.

And White having to take on 3 Swans by himself. I think Ellard? eventually ran in.
Pisses me off that. Real indicator of our team mind set.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:55 pm 
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Interesting to see us play with real numbers behind the ball (like so many other sides). And it worked well against clearly superior opposition for a half. Not sure what happened after that. Not sure if we adjusted our tactics. Or just that we were monstered in midfield.

Pros:
Thought Murph and Gibbs busted a gut in midfield. Especially Murph.
Key defenders were excellent for a half. Especially when they got some extra help.
Curnow works really, really hard.

Cons:
Opposition were too big, too quick, too skilled, too good.
Players lost confidence and then gave up for about 15 minutes.
Smashed in the clearances by the bigger Sydney bodies.
Some of our handballing was pretty poor.

Also interested in how we seem to be playing Bell away from midfield (especially against the Sydney big bodies). Even in defence at times. Is this due to fitness? Or trying to improve his flexibility? Or part of the list management strategy?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:02 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
Said earlier in this thread:

"the whole 5' 11' of Luke Parker taking a PACK mark against 3 Carlton players coz they were all watching a Swans player instead of the incoming ball.And one of those 3 Carlton players was Levi.Effen pathetic !"

Never a tru-er word spoken. Nothing Malthouse can do about a SHIT list. Parker even kept his feet after the jump, and Levi goes tumbling over!!!



And also he had no hesitation in going up in the ruck against Warnock in the third quarter when no Sydney ruck man was in the vicinity.

Won't criticise our recruiters for overlooking him, as I don't want to be accused of making up stories, but at Pick 40 he'd probably be delisted by us by now and certainly wouldn't have played 70 games as yet either.

Great first post by the way.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:17 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Said earlier in this thread:

"the whole 5' 11' of Luke Parker taking a PACK mark against 3 Carlton players coz they were all watching a Swans player instead of the incoming ball.And one of those 3 Carlton players was Levi.Effen pathetic !"

Never a tru-er word spoken. Nothing Malthouse can do about a SHIT list. Parker even kept his feet after the jump, and Levi goes tumbling over!!!



And also he had no hesitation in going up in the ruck against Warnock in the third quarter when no Sydney ruck man was in the vicinity.

Won't criticise our recruiters for overlooking him, as I don't want to be accused of making up stories, but at Pick 40 he'd probably be delisted by us by now and certainly wouldn't have played 70 games as yet either.

Great first post by the way.

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Stories?

More like facts

Facts are we picked Watson and McCarthy before him.
One gone and one languishing in the reserves.

There are other facts about other players in the same draft and prior drafts but we can leave those for another day.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:34 pm 
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doofdoof wrote:
AGRO wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Said earlier in this thread:

"the whole 5' 11' of Luke Parker taking a PACK mark against 3 Carlton players coz they were all watching a Swans player instead of the incoming ball.And one of those 3 Carlton players was Levi.Effen pathetic !"

Never a tru-er word spoken. Nothing Malthouse can do about a SHIT list. Parker even kept his feet after the jump, and Levi goes tumbling over!!!



And also he had no hesitation in going up in the ruck against Warnock in the third quarter when no Sydney ruck man was in the vicinity.

Won't criticise our recruiters for overlooking him, as I don't want to be accused of making up stories, but at Pick 40 he'd probably be delisted by us by now and certainly wouldn't have played 70 games as yet either.

Great first post by the way.

:wink:


Stories?

More like facts

Facts are we picked Watson and McCarthy before him.
One gone and one languishing in the reserves.

There are other facts about other players in the same draft and prior drafts but we can leave those for another day.


Careful doof doof, very sensitive around here.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:56 pm 
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[quote="Warby"]What I've noticed in a similar vein, is when one of our players kicks an unexpected goal lets say....a difficult snap from the boundary or whatever; which was desperately needed by the team.

There's no convergence of excited team mates rushing in excitedly to hug him for his effort and goal....just the usual hand slap in passing.....no passion....no ''let's keep this going....we can do this mob'' or whatever.....no bloody enthusiasm at all......''oh yeah.....it's a job'' seems to be the go.[/quot

This.

I see emotionless players each week. Only the win over WCE did I see the young players show anything.
Love Murphy but watch him in any interview. Blank!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:18 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
We have bigger issues than worrying about MM behaviour or manner with journalists....

What about franklin poleaxing our captain......what message does that send?


What about Franklin making sure he shouldered into Jamo after kicking one his goals, then walking around Yarran while sharing a joke with him immediately after?

No passion.


Yep.

Whats going on here?


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