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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:47 pm 
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To be fair, our season was at the very least in a vegetative state long before we got screwed over last night. In some ways it's a sense of relief.

Pull the plug - http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/pull-the-plug/

We were never going to play finals - let's get a look at what we've got in the cupboard (Blaine Johnson, Nick Graham, Nick Holman... Christ, we don't have much) and hope for another couple of Docherty- and Everitt-esque trades.

Let's be honest, the only other enjoyment we'll get this year is when ASADA releases its findings.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:50 pm 
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Are we going to have a MVP thread this week?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:51 pm 
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I am not as upset as many. Had we won we would have continued to chase finals,. Now the club can sit back and rest sore players and get into list management. I don't think we need to go purely to draft picks. The recruitment of Doherty and AE shows there are plenty of younger talented players out there, especially at GC and GWS. This way the rebuild can be quicker. Looking forward to next year.


I'm not so sure. If history is any indicator, they will continue to bury their heads in the sand.
This isn't a professional operation - and there sure as hell isn't any list management!!!!!!!!!

I'm fully expecting only another 3-4 draftees as usual.
1 trade if lucky.
No hard decisions to be made on players with currency: Kreuzer, Gibbs, Jamison, Robinson, Armfield Walker, Garlett (anything we can get) etc should all be up for grabs to infuse our list with young talent. We aren't going forward with these guys. If they can be moved on for assets that can move us forward - they should be. Get rid of them and build a new culture.


No delisting of players who should be moved on: Waite, McLean, Carazzo, White, Watson, Bootsma, Ellard, LUCAS, Temay, Mcinnes and Garlett if not tradeable. These players should be swept out immediately.

We will be god awful next year. But at least we can get players with heart, who can work together to build a system together. For the modern game.

This is what must be done to rebuild. I'm expecting under a qtr of this to be happen, and carlton to continue to wander through the abyss for more years to come


Where and how are we going to draft 10+ players exactly??


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:14 pm 
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SnickerS wrote:
sstormin123 wrote:
mikkey wrote:
I am not as upset as many. Had we won we would have continued to chase finals,. Now the club can sit back and rest sore players and get into list management. I don't think we need to go purely to draft picks. The recruitment of Doherty and AE shows there are plenty of younger talented players out there, especially at GC and GWS. This way the rebuild can be quicker. Looking forward to next year.


I'm not so sure. If history is any indicator, they will continue to bury their heads in the sand.
This isn't a professional operation - and there sure as hell isn't any list management!!!!!!!!!

I'm fully expecting only another 3-4 draftees as usual.
1 trade if lucky.
No hard decisions to be made on players with currency: Kreuzer, Gibbs, Jamison, Robinson, Armfield Walker, Garlett (anything we can get) etc should all be up for grabs to infuse our list with young talent. We aren't going forward with these guys. If they can be moved on for assets that can move us forward - they should be. Get rid of them and build a new culture.


No delisting of players who should be moved on: Waite, McLean, Carazzo, White, Watson, Bootsma, Ellard, LUCAS, Temay, Mcinnes and Garlett if not tradeable. These players should be swept out immediately.

We will be god awful next year. But at least we can get players with heart, who can work together to build a system together. For the modern game.

This is what must be done to rebuild. I'm expecting under a qtr of this to be happen, and carlton to continue to wander through the abyss for more years to come


Where and how are we going to draft 10+ players exactly??


All of those players need to go. Do it over 2 years if needed.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:17 pm 
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SnickerS wrote:
sstormin123 wrote:
mikkey wrote:
I am not as upset as many. Had we won we would have continued to chase finals,. Now the club can sit back and rest sore players and get into list management. I don't think we need to go purely to draft picks. The recruitment of Doherty and AE shows there are plenty of younger talented players out there, especially at GC and GWS. This way the rebuild can be quicker. Looking forward to next year.


I'm not so sure. If history is any indicator, they will continue to bury their heads in the sand.
This isn't a professional operation - and there sure as hell isn't any list management!!!!!!!!!

I'm fully expecting only another 3-4 draftees as usual.
1 trade if lucky.
No hard decisions to be made on players with currency: Kreuzer, Gibbs, Jamison, Robinson, Armfield Walker, Garlett (anything we can get) etc should all be up for grabs to infuse our list with young talent. We aren't going forward with these guys. If they can be moved on for assets that can move us forward - they should be. Get rid of them and build a new culture.


No delisting of players who should be moved on: Waite, McLean, Carazzo, White, Watson, Bootsma, Ellard, LUCAS, Temay, Mcinnes and Garlett if not tradeable. These players should be swept out immediately.

We will be god awful next year. But at least we can get players with heart, who can work together to build a system together. For the modern game.

This is what must be done to rebuild. I'm expecting under a qtr of this to be happen, and carlton to continue to wander through the abyss for more years to come


Where and how are we going to draft 10+ players exactly??


Yeah na, cannot do it all in one year, but can make the big calls that need to be made first. Waite and Carrots to be given emotional send offs, and Juddy to be told thanks for the memories big fella but we need to rebuild and even if your body holds up, your best footy was a few years back. Also time for plodding ball magnet Brock to go ( not sure what stage his contract is at).

We need to actually play the Wattos, Temays etc to find out for sure that they are list cloggers and also to enable high draft picks by losing games they play in :thumbsup:

Holman, Graham, Johnson also need to be played for the same reason. Gibbs is the one they have to be tough with. He is not worth more than $400k p.a. by any objective measure, but he'll be asking for Pendles type coin. We have to stand firm and say "mate, you just ain't that good". He certainly isn't a young player anymore and has no improvement in him at all.

Roos has done wonders with the Dees in a very short time. We need to get in some good young talent and hope that Mick can do another of his rebuilding jobs.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:23 pm 
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Yep. We need to be aggressive with our list management. Maximum level of delisting possible and package deal trades.

Realistically it's 3 years of culling and praying to dear sweet, 9 pound 2 ounce baby Jesus, that we can buck 5 years of history and hope we nail our draftees. It's a diabolical situation.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:25 pm 
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But as you pointed out earlier, we won't be.

This is Carlton we're talking about

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:27 pm 
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To be fair its not like good players are growing on trees these days. Where exactly are we to source these hidden gems? IF there's a good player on the radar you can bet your bottom dollar GWS & GCS will be having first bite of that cherry! So what are we to do? The timing couldn't have been worse for us. We trade off the only bloody talent we have because they have some currency? And what, help some other team fill in the gaps so they can win a premiership? Whilst we build some imaginary yet to be seen super side that is gonna usher in a golden era for Carlton? Should we hold off on that until GWS & GCS finish picking the bones of what's left of the talent in the land? Because I sure would like to know where we are going to find these imaginary yet to be seen golden players from ...


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:03 pm 
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It's saying something but last night was our worst first quarter for the year
Insipid mentally weak and terribly disappointing
Felt ashamed to be a Carlton supporter
I hope it is a ticket only game and I can't get one for Friday night as they just don't deserve my support
At least before last night over the last few weeks they had given an effort last night We were given nothing
Even more disappointing was the lack of fight grunt effectiveness after getting 16 points up half way through the last quarter
Read in the paper yesterday people at Carlton are surprised by our membership numbers -hello last nights performance which is indicative of our ability on and off the ground is exactly why people aren't signing up
I thought there was a diminution of the brand with Elliott this pea hearted team administration leadership has run the brand into the ground -no currency -no excitement -no hope


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:03 pm 
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It's saying something but last night was our worst first quarter for the year
Insipid mentally weak and terribly disappointing
Felt ashamed to be a Carlton supporter
I hope it is a ticket only game and I can't get one for Friday night as they just don't deserve my support
At least before last night over the last few weeks they had given an effort last night We were given nothing
Even more disappointing was the lack of fight grunt effectiveness after getting 16 points up half way through the last quarter
Read in the paper yesterday people at Carlton are surprised by our membership numbers -hello last nights performance which is indicative of our ability on and off the ground is exactly why people aren't signing up
I thought there was a diminution of the brand with Elliott this pea hearted team administration leadership has run the brand into the ground -no currency -no excitement -no hope


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:06 pm 
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PS has anyone got this new presidents email I really would like to give him my view of the present circumstances


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:52 pm 
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People's Elbow wrote:
To be fair, our season was at the very least in a vegetative state long before we got screwed over last night. In some ways it's a sense of relief.

Pull the plug - http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/pull-the-plug/

We were never going to play finals - let's get a look at what we've got in the cupboard (Blaine Johnson, Nick Graham, Nick Holman... Christ, we don't have much) and hope for another couple of Docherty- and Everitt-esque trades.

Let's be honest, the only other enjoyment we'll get this year is when ASADA releases its findings.

:thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:07 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
It's saying something but last night was our worst first quarter for the year
Insipid mentally weak and terribly disappointing
Felt ashamed to be a Carlton supporter
I hope it is a ticket only game and I can't get one for Friday night as they just don't deserve my support
At least before last night over the last few weeks they had given an effort last night We were given nothing
Even more disappointing was the lack of fight grunt effectiveness after getting 16 points up half way through the last quarter
Read in the paper yesterday people at Carlton are surprised by our membership numbers -hello last nights performance which is indicative of our ability on and off the ground is exactly why people aren't signing up
I thought there was a diminution of the brand with Elliott this pea hearted team administration leadership has run the brand into the ground -no currency -no excitement -no hope



Well said - they will get my "donation" when it is clear that they have a plan and the leadership to follow it through.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:55 pm 
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Our list is bad but not as bad as Brisbane's. We can't use that as an excuse.
Our team didn't play to its ability. The best was not milked out of them by those in charge.
Getting the best out of the team stops at the coach.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:56 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Our list is bad but not as bad as Brisbane's. We can't use that as an excuse.
Our team didn't play to its ability. The best was not milked out of them by those in charge.
Getting the best out of the team stops at the coach.



Geez I'm glad our list isn't as bad as Brisbane's, we might have lost by 5 or 6 goals. :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:00 pm 
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our list is not as bad as brisbanes but we only had 3 players we drafted in the last 5 years playing.

i dunno what u know about footy... but i shall tell u thats not a very good position to be in.....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:04 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
our list is not as bad as brisbanes but we only had 3 players we drafted in the last 5 years playing.

i dunno what u know about footy... but i shall tell u thats not a very good position to be in.....


I agree. Not a good position. But the team we put out last night should have beat Brisbane. Massive under performance.
Buck stops with the coach in last nights case.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:10 pm 
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underperformance because theres nothing coming in
answer this... if there is no competition for spots... whats the natural course of things?

PS no competition for spots.
buckley has to play
carrazzo has to play
rowe has to play
tuohy has to play...
all because theres is nothing coming through.... nothing.
you cant even rest a player....

om graham ... he has been likened to jordan doehring... (sp) for anyone that remembers that guy

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:27 pm 
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Still should have beat Brisbane. We lost to an inferior team that also had no competition for spots.

Poorly managed from the top. Buck stops with Mick.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:33 pm 
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while i agree we should ahve beaten brissy ... our list is right down there and were only talking degrees of difference.. not anything substantial

their midfield going forward is better than ours and its certainly been getting a transfusion....
theyre certainly not relying on the same blokes they did 5 years ago....

when ur dealing with degrees of difference...and youthfulness anything can happen on the day

thats why we play games of footy.. 22/24 rounds... because if we were ranking teams we wouldnt play the rounds and the finals to see what happens .. we would give the cup to the number 1 ranked club...
Thats the adventue of sport.. its why the doggy/ stkilda/ melbourne/ tigers amd carlton supporters rock up to the footy....

you dont agree???

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