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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:12 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Right now it's hard to give a stuff who's in and who's out. My main hope is that everyone gets an opportunity to prove themselves (whether new guys playing seniors or complacent senior players going to the 2's).


Exactly, after last week every bloke who ran out has a case to be dropped.

I hope Cripps isn't sub


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:13 pm 
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Long time reader, seldom do I post, but it is getting harder to refrain from typing so here goes...

Good changes I think, we can't and shouldn't expose too much youth all at once; partly because changing like for like is largely irrelevant, but also because the confidence and motivation of the group at large needs to be nurtured to improve it, not shattered by a ridiculous amount of "droppings". A message has been sent by dropping a team elder and by dropping Bell the statement is made that you don't just get a game because you are young.

jimmae wrote:
We won't lose but it'll be interesting to see if trading out scoring power for discipline and hard work pays off.

Increasing discipline and work ethic is exactly what we need. If persisted with will evolve into a more cohesive team oriented ethos.
We have to start somewhere and we can't just say "ok if you have poor disposal you don't get a game". Hell by that criteria Judd would struggle these days. Hard work is exactly where we need to start.

The glaring difference last week between the bombers and us was that every time they took a mark their team mates would run harder than ever for the first five seconds to open options and start our panic. Every time we took a mark our players would stop for the first five seconds for a mini break. It's courage and discipline - not fitness; and it make the passage of play that follows easier. What every player on our team did in the first 5 seconds after we got the ball set us up to fail. This week that must change.

Bell is a bit unlucky to be dropped but Mick has already mentioned that Tom has a bit to do in certain areas. We can only sumise that he isn't hitting those KPI's yet. As for the dropping Waite or Rowe argument I would offer that Sam is playing much closer to his potential than "Mr Almost" is an that this is hurting the team more that Rowe. Garlett is another issue all together, he and Tuohy look very out of touch and should probably both be send down to try and gain confidence.

We will win this week and my prediction would be 6+ goals, as we should; Melbourne are a shattered team, not an easy job even for Roos's vaunted man management abilities.

I could go on, but... time for more wine.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:23 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Like to know who is going to be a target in the forward line without Waite. He has hardly been the worst player. What did we expect with hardly any inside 50 entities last week.?

Bell gets dropped. He was the sub for goodness sakes?

I don't see how we are going to kick a winning score.


Are you serious??

Waite has been shitful

Poor kicking is poor football

His job is to kick goals and he's missed way too many. Early last week missed front 10m in front


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:25 pm 
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Blue Beatle wrote:
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TEAM SELECTION: In - P.Cripps, K.Lucas, H.Scotland & L.Casboult. Out - J.Waite, S.White, T.Bell & J.Garlett. #NAVYBLUES


WTF with lucas and Scotland.
agree with outs, except bell - gotta persevere with him
who else is there? maybe shows how light on talent we are.
gee i'm glad I've got bluesfest at Byron next week to ease the pain of all this


Bell is a spud

Poor bands and poor kick


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:28 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Congrats to the MC ... another brilliant day at the selection table. Inspired!


Did TC have a brain fade the last hour or two??

WTF do you people want?

Serial underachievers have been dropped and a stern message sent

Sadly half the side are spuds so you can't drop them all

Oh sorry we should have brought in Ablett, Cloke and Hodge


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:39 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Like to know who is going to be a target in the forward line without Waite. He has hardly been the worst player. What did we expect with hardly any inside 50 entities last week.?

Bell gets dropped. He was the sub for goodness sakes?

I don't see how we are going to kick a winning score.

I guess you would have hit the panic button with Essendon* not even fielding a genuine ruckman and two KPF last week.

Lovely understanding of footy.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:42 pm 
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Four changes. For our moribund MC that is extreme. So I am not going to argue to much except for dropping Bell over Robinson. But like some others I give Robbo and Tuohy one more week each and that gives Docherty another run in the VFL and Graham if he continues his good form.


After watching McKay on the "Blue Print" I'm convinced the MC live in the dark ages. :roll:

You're in the Jurassic period.

That match committee that stuffed up and played Temay as a four goal small forward last week.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:51 pm 
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mymanmurph wrote:
unbelievable Tom Bell out Scotland in?
Yep there's a selection for the future...
I guess Cripps will be sub and get 20 mins to get into his 1st game
MM mustn't like him because to me bell actually adds something around the contest!
And actually looks like he's given everything after each contest, there's a few players that could gave work rate like him.
As for Scotland I remember being gutted when campo left to the scum
But it opened up a spot for a young guy named kade Simpson
No offense to Scotland but he's had his run not going to win a flag with him.


Chapman killed us and he's an old stager right?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:54 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
We need to remember too that we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. We judge players on what we see on game day. But let's face it, most of us are ball watching and have a limited grasp on the full tactics of the team and the role of individual players.

We also don't know what a player's attitude is like on a day to day basis around the club and at training. We also don't know what a player's mental state is like, or physical state for that matter.

Maybe Graham isn't doing something the MC want him to do? Or maybe the MC has studied the opposing team and see a role for Lucas? Or maybe he trained the house down this week? Maybe Bell isn't positioning himself correctly in certain game situations and it's hurting the team? Maybe Garlett's confidence is down and they want to get him out of the spotlight for a week? Maybe the conditions will suit Scotland and we want his leadership? Maybe there's off field issues with Waite we don't know about?

Anyway. Good luck Cripps, glad your injury wasn't anything serious :thumbsup:


Graham goes good but it's not like he's BOG every week

He got a game or two last year and choked under pressure kicking down the spine when that was the worst option

Then pre season he put in a shocker

TAC seem to have an artificial hard on for Graham. The way you people rave about him you'd think he's BOG every week


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:55 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Good to see we omitted last week's sub :donk:


He had enough opportunity to show us he's a spud


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:58 pm 
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It's fair to say the TC community had a brain labotomy this evening


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:59 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Good to see we omitted last week's sub :donk:


I remember you saying the same thing when Lucas was dropped.


Full credit to you..I think.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:02 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
He got a game or two last year and choked under pressure kicking down the spine when that was the worst option


Seriously? He was eighteen and in his first 1-2 games of AFL football. :roll:

We are struggling for young talent and this kid has been pushing for a spot. He deserves as much of a go as anyone else on our list.

Don't have a crack at abns because he watches more of these guys than anyone else and his opinions prove to be fairly accurate.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:23 pm 
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IIRC the debate amongst the footy community with regards to our dismal start to 2014 has been either the players effort-ability vs MMs game plan.

I don't know what the answer is given McKay says that the players love MM and believe in the game plan! That's from a bunch of introverts if true, so does it count for much ie bunch of yes men?. Tonight David Parkin backs that comment given players he has spoken to say the same.

What we all agree on is there's a need for change.

I thought Waite was lazy at times last week, and a bit against the Tigers. It stood out. Didn't like his body language but thought Rowe was woeful but needed as a second ruck. Casboult is in and I like that, so I don't understand why Waite would be dropped before Rowe. I'd have Waite at CHB against the Dees. IMO he has been singled out for attitude and no doubt a statement.

Interested to see who plays CHB.
Interested to see if the state of play resembles a game plan our blokes can execute against a bunch of kids. Might be a training drill given we are going to show intensity and aggression.

I think Robbo will be funny to watch playing bruising footy.

Welcome to the Blues Cripps. Hope he starts in the middle.

Garlett has been miserable thus far and I'm guessing we need to replace speed for speed in a relatively slow team hence Lucas is picked.
Surprised more game time isn't given to Bell.

Guessing Menzel will be sub but then again we need bonafide goal kickers with our best behind kickers out.

Interesting to see the style of play, movement of ball, fluidity and general skills this week. Can the players execute MMs game plan and will MM subtlety tweak his archaic game plan?

Carlton $1.13 Dees $8.50. I'm not so sure despite the fact we should given our maturity. Dees did well against Eagles and fell away in the last. We haven't shown much in the last.

I've cancelled the trip to Melb this week because the whole thing is embarrassing. Our boys to come out aggressive against the undeveloped kids of Melb. Bullies. I guess you play who you have to play.

I hope it prepares us for the dogs because the preseason did @#$%&! all to prepare us. I'll be coming to see what we dish out against the Doggies who are young too. I expect an easy victory but who knows WTF is going on at Carlton other than the whole club has been embarrassing in our 150th year.

Go Blues. Less than 10 goal win is a fail IMO

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:31 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
We need to remember too that we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. We judge players on what we see on game day. But let's face it, most of us are ball watching and have a limited grasp on the full tactics of the team and the role of individual players.

We also don't know what a player's attitude is like on a day to day basis around the club and at training. We also don't know what a player's mental state is like, or physical state for that matter.

Maybe Graham isn't doing something the MC want him to do? Or maybe the MC has studied the opposing team and see a role for Lucas? Or maybe he trained the house down this week? Maybe Bell isn't positioning himself correctly in certain game situations and it's hurting the team? Maybe Garlett's confidence is down and they want to get him out of the spotlight for a week? Maybe the conditions will suit Scotland and we want his leadership? Maybe there's off field issues with Waite we don't know about?

Anyway. Good luck Cripps, glad your injury wasn't anything serious :thumbsup:


Graham goes good but it's not like he's BOG every week

He got a game or two last year and choked under pressure kicking down the spine when that was the worst option

Then pre season he put in a shocker

TAC seem to have an artificial hard on for Graham. The way you people rave about him you'd think he's BOG every week


We'll he's nearly BOG each week for Northen. I thought he did ok when he came on against the Tigers and made a few mistakes the week after against Essendon* but hey let's hang the kid for making a mistake in 2013 and never play him again :banghead:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:35 pm 
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I dont understand Bell being dropped???? He needs match time...Rowe still in???? Ellard also???? Wheres graham?
Man.....I get so frustrated with the people who pick our team every week.....
Henderson should be CHB Casboult CHF...


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:44 pm 
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I'm fine with the changes. I wanted Scotto in last week (he's still in our best 22 regardless of age) and Casboult should have started the year in the side (As our only developing tall on our list we'd be mad not to give him every chance). Cripps may have been rushed in but he's the right size and I'm hoping Lucas is the sub as I think the role suits him.

Jeffy has been struggling and hopefully its the kick in the pants he needs to find that bit extra, while Waite has given us nothing up the ground prefering to do the spectacular stuff only. White I think is for team balance as much as anything but it could just as easily been Rowe. Bell was unlucky but he was mentioned in the presser by Mick after the Richmond game and I think there is something he needs to work on in his game.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:22 pm 
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Waite......great decision. Best footy is behind him. Silly decision to give him that BS contract. Not the future.

Jeff.....has been hopeless. Misses Eddie big time. Fringe player now it seems :sad:

White......C grader.

Bell....yet another unskilled player we've got in abundance. Big unit but no Kouta.

So, happy with outs, but Rowe should go for Watto, and Robbo for Graham.

Blues by 24 but who cares ?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:35 pm 
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Good Statement by the MC to drop Waite, although its more like a tactic than poor Form. Waite has to be managed all year and will not be able to play every game. He will break down soon...

Gartlet would have been handy on Sat because it's going to be Wet and slippery with Rain all day, so Casboult is not going to do anything special... maybe just Crush packs...

Yarran needs to have a field day and kick a bag with the help of Menzel and Ellard ( don't like playing Ellard as a small forward)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:52 pm 
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Judd has been helping Bell with his running patterns. What they haven't told us, is he has helped him with his kicking skills too #boomtish


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