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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:40 pm 
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People's Elbow wrote:
My thoughts here – http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/afl-roun ... testicles/ – a good whack of our list are uncoachable!

This is my opinion also. Too many players with bad habits or poor skills that have not been moved on. To use Robbo as an example. He throws the ball onto his boot just like a 13 year old. How long has he been in the AFL system? Long enough for us to know that it's never gonna change. We need to clear out this list ASAP.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:57 pm 
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..I will tell you a secret, gameplans are needed but also over rated by the same token.. ..everybody knows how hawks will play,



If its all so recognisable, surely you can share your thoughts. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:01 pm 
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http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-27/ ... lunderland

That's about all I got to say bout that.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:08 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..I will tell you a secret, gameplans are needed but also over rated by the same token.. ..everybody knows how hawks will play,



If its all so recognisable, surely you can share your thoughts. :thumbsup:


..you think with all the staff clubs have that gameplans can remain a secret..?.. ..they get figured out early on, don't worry.. ..gameplans however aren't worth snot without full team commitment, something we know nothing about.. ..the way we played Q1 vs port, that is how we are meant to play.. ..we know how hawks play and cats and freo and swans, we know how we want to play.. ..but we are weak willed, and they are not.. ..mm gameplans are known, just like Lyon's is.. ..both worked well when pies and saints applied work.. ..neither were all that revolutionary.. ..neither are secrets.. ..both are quite similar.. ..it wouldn't matter which game plan we tried, none would get us beyond middle road, cps none work without full buy in.. ..we are cheap, so we will continue to fail??

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:29 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..I will tell you a secret, gameplans are needed but also over rated by the same token.. ..everybody knows how hawks will play,



If its all so recognisable, surely you can share your thoughts. :thumbsup:


..you think with all the staff clubs have that gameplans can remain a secret..?.. ..they get figured out early on, don't worry.. ..gameplans however aren't worth snot without full team commitment, something we know nothing about.. ..the way we played Q1 vs port, that is how we are meant to play.. ..we know how hawks play and cats and freo and swans, we know how we want to play.. ..but we are weak willed, and they are not.. ..mm gameplans are known, just like Lyon's is.. ..both worked well when pies and saints applied work.. ..neither were all that revolutionary.. ..neither are secrets.. ..both are quite similar.. ..it wouldn't matter which game plan we tried, none would get us beyond middle road, cps none work without full buy in.. ..we are cheap, so we will continue to fail??


Yeah, just as I thought. It was a simple question.
You've got nuthin.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:42 pm 
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Sam Rowe - On Sydney's Rookie list in the mid 00s, gets delisted, but a few years after that, we pick him up with a 2nd Rounder #hughesmasterstroke


It's quite remarkable.


It's not remarkable it's flowering spastic.

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The sad thing is, there'd be at least 10 other similar examples of colossal ineptitude.
Horror that ll take near on a decade to overcome.
I can understand him surviving the chop in the Pagan years, as we had no money, and nobody wanted to be here anyway, but where was the logic in keeping him on board post 2007 ???

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:35 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..I will tell you a secret, gameplans are needed but also over rated by the same token.. ..everybody knows how hawks will play,



If its all so recognisable, surely you can share your thoughts. :thumbsup:


..you think with all the staff clubs have that gameplans can remain a secret..?.. ..they get figured out early on, don't worry.. ..gameplans however aren't worth snot without full team commitment, something we know nothing about.. ..the way we played Q1 vs port, that is how we are meant to play.. ..we know how hawks play and cats and freo and swans, we know how we want to play.. ..but we are weak willed, and they are not.. ..mm gameplans are known, just like Lyon's is.. ..both worked well when pies and saints applied work.. ..neither were all that revolutionary.. ..neither are secrets.. ..both are quite similar.. ..it wouldn't matter which game plan we tried, none would get us beyond middle road, cps none work without full buy in.. ..we are cheap, so we will continue to fail??


Yeah, just as I thought. It was a simple question.
You've got nuthin.



..are you serious?, you want me to write up a short essay on their game plan?, for what??, your amusement?, satisfaction??.. ..watch foxfooty shows for a week and you'll get an idea.. ..your own two eyes and footy media will break down their game plan, but if you really want when I can be bothered writing it all down for you, I will.. ..I'll try and not bore the others, and I'm no footy analyst so the real intricacies of their game plan I may miss, but am sure club footy staff won't.. ..but the general system sure I can write it down for you, even though we both know that you're only fishing, and that you may enjoy the idea of baiting me to sit down and spend time writing something up that you'll barely glance over..

..but lets be honest, you and I both know how the hawks play, as we do other teams.. ..it's why you're against how we play now and why you'd rather we adopt another style, perhaps clarko's.. ..you must know a fair bit about it or why be keen on it?.. ..the real trick about coaching is less about system, and far more about getting all the players to give their all on a weekly basis.. ..no game plan can make up for player laziness.. ..lookit pies currently.. ..new coach, new systems.. ..and a tumble down the ladder.. ..tell me, is it due to dropping a supposedly out-dated game plan?, or is it because the new coach doesn't galvanise the group like mm did..?..

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:18 pm 
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Effes wrote:
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Last qtr


7 behinds





So many of them gettable.

All of them forgettable!


Forgot to add

2 out on the full


Also add the sitter that Waite missed just before 3/4 time after half the team had killed themselves running the whole length of the ground to get it top him lace out...leadership :mad: :mad:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:35 am 
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Get ball boot ball.Mark ball. (game plan). We are just a dumb football team and we have to change game plan.This what was in the paper about ess (they are ball hogs who won the sherrin in close,flicked around ,short passed,and refused to TURN IT OVER) why cant our boys do this.


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On 3AW now saying response from Swann re Brock in the dugout is that he didn't know the sub was allowed to be on the ground at 3qt.

I call bulldust.

McLean is finished IMO.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:46 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
On 3AW now saying response from Swann re Brock in the dugout is that he didn't know the sub was allowed to be on the ground at 3qt.

I call bulldust.

McLean is finished IMO.

McLean seems to take time to work into season


Last few years it's been mid year he has really lifted

That said form isn't good


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:15 pm 
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Pros:

Simmo, Yarran, Murph, Waite, Everitt.
Very encouraging performance from Buckley.
Keep seeing glimpses among the many mistakes Bell makes.
Good second half from Thomas.
Good last quarter from Lucas, Robbo and Menzel.
We try hard.

Cons:

We rarely win close games.
Kicking for goal again. Too many players simply don't want the responsibility of kicking goals from set shots. Either we're not doing enough work, or we've got too many mentally soft players. We're not going to kick winning scores if we have to rely on kicking all our goals from hurried snaps. Obvious contrast with Richmond's efficiency in front of goal, especially from set shots.
Not big enough. Not quick enough. Not skilled enough. Not physical or aggressive enough.
I know our defence is pretty inexperienced, but we're losing games because of a quarter where the opposition smashes us and scores at will.
Midfield was awful in the clearances for half a game.
Not sure if McLean picked up an injury in the final practice match, but he's been invisible the last 2 games. Not sure if we can play both Ellard and McLean in the same team. It makes us too slow.
Just like it's tough having both Bell and Robbo butchering the ball from midfield.
We don't have elite matchwinners at the moment. And we simply can't win with so many players not contributing.
Gibbs had a shocker.
I could cope with what we see from Rowe, if he was 21-22. But not sure he's got enough time or development left at 26-27 to ever be a very good AFL player.
I know they've had a far easier draw, but St Kilda's 2-0. And we're 0-2 and facing Essendon* next week.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:23 pm 
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Eddie with 4 so far......

Love that little guy.. punches above his weight..
Hes gunna make us more fools than we are.....
Take 200k off Judd... and 100k off Carrazzo.
We should have kept him....

Spearhead..... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:24 pm 
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Kreuzer to help out around the ground, plus ruck duties, and of a bit of match fitness still to come, things ain't so terrible.


You're going to be waiting a while I think. Kreuzer's probably not the player we all hoped anyway. And he's basically been constantly injured for the last 3 years. Hard to see that changing anytime soon. Feet injuries are very, very hard to shake (unless you draw upon the help of guys like Charters). Especially when you're a big guy. Kreuzer's been struggling with his feet for the last 2-3 years.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:24 pm 
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MIL wrote:
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Players just don't seem to know what to do out there.



this is incredibly evident

stands out like dogs balls


Very sad that after 10 years of recruiting we have so many dumb footballers? Wayne Hughes legacy :banghead:


lets not do a hirdy here,,,the buck stops at the top...kernahan and swann fault for allowing wayne hughes to stay on for so long and then to side with hughes when he wanted matthew Watson and ratts wanted jack darling !!!

and lets not forget that hughes went for kruser instead of Dangerfield and lucas instead of fyfe and he only was sacked this year ...laughable!!!


Say it slowly and then puke:

Dangerfield
Darling
Fyfe

And THAT folks is why we're flowered
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you forgot selwood, Jacobs, pendlebury, talia
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:39 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Eddie with 4 so far......

Love that little guy.. punches above his weight..
Hes gunna make us more fools than we are.....
Take 200k off Judd... and 100k off Carrazzo.
We should have kept him....

Spearhead..... :thumbsup:



Absolutely.
Best defensive forward in the competition by a long way.
I would have taken money off others as well.
Or not paid 700k for a hard running wingman with average skills.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:59 pm 
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Kreuzer to help out around the ground, plus ruck duties, and of a bit of match fitness still to come, things ain't so terrible.


You're going to be waiting a while I think. Kreuzer's probably not the player we all hoped anyway. And he's basically been constantly injured for the last 3 years. Hard to see that changing anytime soon. Feet injuries are very, very hard to shake (unless you draw upon the help of guys like Charters). Especially when you're a big guy. Kreuzer's been struggling with his feet for the last 2-3 years.


..he's missed only a handful of games since his comeback after the knee, 17 last year, almost the full season the year before, and just the one or two games post comeback 2011 season.. ..the only real chunk of games he has missed was the acl.. ..otherwise, never been out for more than a few weeks, 106 out of possible 139 games all up, huge effort for a ruck.. ..hendo has missed more thru injury/form..

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:52 pm 
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Well we really have hit rock bottom- the CfC website has an article re the game titled "Brave Blues fall short". Describing losses ag. mediocre oppo as "brave" is something I never thought I wd see the Blues do.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:25 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
idle wrote:
Kreuzer to help out around the ground, plus ruck duties, and of a bit of match fitness still to come, things ain't so terrible.


You're going to be waiting a while I think. Kreuzer's probably not the player we all hoped anyway. And he's basically been constantly injured for the last 3 years. Hard to see that changing anytime soon. Feet injuries are very, very hard to shake (unless you draw upon the help of guys like Charters). Especially when you're a big guy. Kreuzer's been struggling with his feet for the last 2-3 years.


..he's missed only a handful of games since his comeback after the knee, 17 last year, almost the full season the year before, and just the one or two games post comeback 2011 season.. ..the only real chunk of games he has missed was the acl.. ..otherwise, never been out for more than a few weeks, 106 out of possible 139 games all up, huge effort for a ruck.. ..hendo has missed more thru injury/form..


Thought I might hear from you. :cool: He's certainly played. But he never seems to be quite right. Plays hurt. He's underdone on fitness. You've certainly persuasively been making that case to explain his relatively poor performances.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:32 pm 
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..and I ask the question which nobody likes to answer.. ..why do we keep playing him hurt..?..

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