Carlton confirms Ratten departure p8 (presser notes p12)

Captain Dan · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:57 am

Cazzesman is spot on.

Ratten's character shown through the whole thing has brought on a whole new level of respect for the man. Showed all class at the presser when the easy way out could have been through bitterness, Mick Malthouse style.

I wish Ratten all the best with whatever he chooses to do, and I hope he lands another job in football and succeeds in spades.

I don't think I can be at the game Sunday to farewell him, but I hope he can go out on a more positive note with a win.

Thank-you Brett Ratten. :clap:

blues8182 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:58 am

Captain Dan wrote:

Feel very sorry for Ratten with the way he has been treated on all fronts through all of this. A Club champion that only ever wanted the very best for the Blues in his time as coach. The club saw improvement each year he was at the helm...and the one season where we have one of our worst injury lists on record, and still win 11, maybe 12 games for the season, he is shown the door.

It doesn't excuse the GC Suns loss at all...as a supporter I can't remember a more embarrassing loss...even those two losses to much weaker opponents in '95 didn't feel as bad. But there is no excuse for treating a club coach like this...let alone a great clubman.

I'll still support the club through thick and thin, and purchase memberships, but I have lost a hell of a lot of respect for many in charge at Princes Park.

Hear Hear, regardless of what the haters say he had a good record and was IMO entitled to coach next year at least, good to see we have learned nothing from the bad old days.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Blueboy wrote:

I'm really glad that Ratts got a respectful send off and he in turn showed respect to the club. Long may he be remembered as a champion of the club.

I agree. What he has also shown today is how employable he will be and will ensure he will be picked up somewhere in 2013. Did it well.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

blues8182 wrote:

Captain Dan wrote:

Feel very sorry for Ratten with the way he has been treated on all fronts through all of this. A Club champion that only ever wanted the very best for the Blues in his time as coach. The club saw improvement each year he was at the helm...and the one season where we have one of our worst injury lists on record, and still win 11, maybe 12 games for the season, he is shown the door.

It doesn't excuse the GC Suns loss at all...as a supporter I can't remember a more embarrassing loss...even those two losses to much weaker opponents in '95 didn't feel as bad. But there is no excuse for treating a club coach like this...let alone a great clubman.

I'll still support the club through thick and thin, and purchase memberships, but I have lost a hell of a lot of respect for many in charge at Princes Park.

Hear Hear, regardless of what the haters say he had a good record and was IMO entitled to coach next year at least, good to see we have learned nothing from the bad old days.

This really becomes tiresome. I have NEVER heard anyone say they HATE Ratten. I personally really like him. Good bloke, Good Carlton person who did his best. In reality he has laid a great foundation for the next coach.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:07 am

This link to Kernahan's official statement on the sakcing of Ratts has probably been posted earlier, but here it is again if you've missed it...

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

Quote:

... While acknowledging Brett’s coaching record in developing the team, the Carlton Board was concerned with the inconsistency of the team’s performances and the inability to defeat top eight, and in particular, top four sides...

blues8182 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:11 am

kennyhunter wrote:

We can be pretty confident Ratts' head won't be the only one to roll.

There are people pushing for more than a change of coach.

There is a recognition that the problems are deeper than that.

I Bloody well hope so, there are people in this club who should have been assholed before Ratts.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:12 am

Video highlights from Ratten's presser...

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

BigKev · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:14 am

Stamos wrote:

Ockham's Razor wrote:

Hope you are wrong.

You are assuming that the appointments in 02 & 07 are as sound (or otherwise) as the one we are facing into?

Given that all the rumours point to us getting Malthouse without doing a proper review, how could you not make this assumption?
It smacks of Pagan.

Exactly Stamos.

This is what bothers me OR. We watch a bloke do the job for four years and decide he is than man to take us forward so we sign him for two more. One year later we sack him. What have we learnt about Ratts after five years that wasn't obvious after four? What happened to the "end of year review"? The calm minds?
This IMO reeks of panic and big name chasing. I truly hope it works out, but I have no confidence in the stability or consistency-of-purpose of the people making the decisions.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18022

Donstuie wrote:

Blues Clues wrote:

Blue Sombrero wrote:

I am firmly in the camp that says we would have made the top 4 apart from injuries this year.

We lost to Port by 54 points (Bombers beat them @ AAMI by 8 goals in the middle of their form slump, FFS) and the GCS with a pretty decent side and coming off a 16 goal win. Making top 4 would have been a long shot, BS.

Until this club can do away with appalling lapses like this, we'll never be a top 4 team. Never. Think Doggies last year, too.

Have to agree.

The fact is that we have a group of lazy, arrogant, occasionally pea-hearted players who unfortunately need someone to constantly put a cattle-prod up their arse. They should be able to do this themselves, like the top teams do, but they don't. Sadly, Ratts isn't the babysitter the club needs, as evidenced by the slow moves that are made when things aren't going right, the constant lapses in concentration and workrate, and the stubborn reluctance to drop 'favourites' who aren't performing. Ratts isn't the guy to take this mob forward, and the fault lies on both ends. This mob needs someone more decisive, tough, and if that means an old-school Barassi-type so be it.

While that all sounds lovely to us, it means jack shite to Gen Y. The youngsters now will shut up shop and take zero notice of the "hard nosed" Barrassi style coach. That went out 10 years ago with Pagan. Why do you think he lasted 1 year in the TAC system?

It highlights even more why we need a young up and coming coach instead of someone who could be their grandfather.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

Cmon Psych - of course he is a carlton legend -premiership player - best and fairest in a premiership year -255 games as a player over 100 games as a coach with a better than 50 % record - not sure many others could boost that record

BigKev · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:26 am

ThePsychologist wrote:

BigKev wrote:

IMO Rattens performance was no where near deserving of an early dismissal, (assuming this is what has happened).

In a lot of ways its not about his performance so far.

The decision has to made that after 5 years as Senior Coach of the club is Ratten the best person to get us a Premiership?

It is a lot easier to go from last to 6-8th than it is to go from there to a GF. Big difference.

The club obviously felt that he had done his best but to go to the next level we needed someone else.

If MM comes in he will have the luxury of being able to build on what Ratten & others have established. A talented list, some finals experience etc.

Now its up to MM to go to the next step.

You make some good points Pysch - I agree with a lot of what you say, particularly your concerns about Rattens game plan. I would add one of my concerns which is certain players being "favourites" and others not getting much of a go. A new coach brings new possibilities in both regards.

However.

Ratts had coached for four years before we gave him two more. How the hell can the people making the decisions not know after four years whether or not the coach has got enough potential to take us the whole way and then claim that they do "know" this after five years? The only justification as far as I'm concerned for sacking him early would be if he had clearly lost the players and things were falling apart. This is my case for arguing his performance in 2012 does not warrant early dismissal.

ryan2000 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:27 am

The most professional exist ever by a coach in the AFL?

I'd think so.

Well done Ratts. Best wishes to you.

Gavstar22 · **Joined:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:18 pm **Posts:** 283

"While acknowledging Brett’s coaching record in developing the team, the Carlton Board was concerned with the inconsistency of the team’s performances and the inability to defeat top eight, and in particular, top four sides. "

No one can disagree with the above.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

frank dardew wrote:

Cmon Psych - of course he is a carlton legend -premiership player - best and fairest in a premiership year -255 games as a player over 100 games as a coach with a better than 50 % record - not sure many others could boost that record

As I said "Legend" is a big call. It depends upon definition.

Hall of Famer, Club Great Yes.

Legend? IMO No.

Legends for me are: Matthews, Whitten etc

Carlton Legends: Nichols, Doull etc.

IMO, and it doesn't really mean anything, Ratten isn't in their class.

JPSBLUES · **Joined:** Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:06 pm **Posts:** 16

I really feel for Rats.... He showed complete class in the presser and just wish that our club could have shown some class back to him and wait til next week.

bluebo baggers · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:32 am

JPSBLUES wrote:

I really feel for Rats.... He showed complete class in the presser and just wish that our club could have shown some class back to him and wait til next week.

Ratten asked to know what his future was - the club would have waited until next week but it came from Ratten.

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

If the murmurs of board movements/departures are true, I start to question the need for Malthouse also. Saw Malthouse as a means to an end in keeping board interference out of the football department. May not need it now.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:34 am

Legend or not (do we really need to debate that now?) Ratts has departed with class and lashings of respect. On the surface at least, he bears no ill will towards the club.

Under the circumstances that is a good result for the club. Now, we just have cross our fingers and hope the next step is not cocked up.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

camelboy wrote:

Legend or not (do we really need to debate that now?) Ratts has departed with class and lashings of respect. On the surface at least, he bears no ill will towards the club.

Under the circumstances that is a good result for us. Now, we just have cross our fingers and hope the next step is not cocked up.

AGRO · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:38 am

Gavstar22 wrote:

"While acknowledging Brett’s coaching record in developing the team, the Carlton Board was concerned with the inconsistency of the team’s performances and the inability to defeat top eight, and in particular, top four sides. "

No one can disagree with the above.

But this was manifestly obvious last year when we extended Ratten's contract.

Unfortunately Ratten is a convenient scapegoat for the mismanagement that has been our Football Club over the past few years.

I tip my hat to Ratten for how he has handled himself on his departure - lets not split hairs (semantics) with regards to definitions of legends.

He isnt the first club legend/stalwart (from any VFL/AFL club) to be sacked as a coach of their club and he wont be the last, (I can hardly wait to see what will happen to Golden Boy over at Windy Hill in the next 18 months :wink:

).

At the end of the day Brett Ratten will join Alex Jesaulenko and Robert Walls, Ken Hands, Jim Francis as former past players as a member of the sacked coaches club - pretty exalted company if you ask me.

And his name will always be on Locker Number 7 - and even if he coaches Port Adelaide and wins them a flag - he may feel like David Parkin feels (when he describes himself as "that bloke from Hawthorn") and call himself "that bloke from Carlton".

:wink:

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