And thats why i said years ago... i wouldnt be giving up 3 players for one legend.

Kouta in here used to quote that from me.. thinking i was crazy

One thing about time... its brutal!!!!...

Time kills everything.... !!!

and if u keep wasting it ... ur gone too!!!

Weve been wasting time... thinking oh yeah another year.. theres also next year..... we will get there!!!

One thing is certain ... time will catch up with all the players and also all of us!!!

Ten years.. and people wonder why i go berserk!!!????

Sticks???? how long has he been around the club????

and 5 years to Ratts is way too long to work out if he can coach or not...

i wouldnt wait till the end of the year...!!!... id do it now!!!... BANG!!!

And a big change around the club is throwing Ratten under thebus so the board can save itself... and we hopefully get people siging up.

I am 100% certain we will go the shortcuts !!!.. its what we do.. its what we know....!!!

This will kill the next 5 to 10 years too!!!

So 17 years then starts touching thirty...

but there is always next year... next year... next year.... pay your money!!! we are carlton!!!

The change needs to be implemented on the top!!!

and a cuture change!!!

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L.M 35-06

Darling forced Joseph to retreat, but Joseph had more than enough time to slam the ball forward on his right boot. It's about observing the fundamentals of the game, particularly when you are someone like Joseph who is not the most skillful bloke in the side. It's the thought process here that is the most worrying thing. It was not the only mistake committed on the night, but it was a diabolical decision-making error that cost us a goal at a crucial stage.

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Well, bloody hell, people. Forget about giving in, it's not about that but you may be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's about knowing what your limitations are and knowing that we probably don't have the list to go the full distance.

For all the players like Carrazzo, Simpson & Jamison we have the likes of Joseph, Armfield and Garlett in which what you see is also what you get but they'll only get you so far.

The thing about rebuilding is that you should effectively never stop. The problem is, apart from a commendable reticence to part with most first round picks, what we have been largely doing is pretty much 'topping up' in disguise.

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....at least as close as one can sit to the point of the centre square at Subiaco

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StK did us a favour by losing. Jacobs dominant in the ruck.
He has a good midfield to put it to, too. And he tries to do that.

We have three rucks.
Warnock. Taps the ball to advantage more than the others but not that good at hitting specific targets despite that. Can't get a kick or mark around the ground. Slow. No onfield presence.
Kreuzer. Moderate tap ruckman. Great second efforts (needed because he hardly ever hits a target with his hitouts). Covers a lot of ground. Slow and lumbering. Can't take a regular mark. Good vision and good field kick but doesn't get enough of them. Prefers to handball, which is OK if we can get space. Used to be a great kick for goal. Has youth on his side. Needs to improve before the game passes him. No real onfield presence. Has the body to provide bash and crash but doesn't. Sacred cow at Carlton because they picked him over Cotchin.
Hampson. Good spring and taps OK but erratic. His best hitouts are great, his worst, well hopeless, usually to the wrong side of the pack or into the corridor whan deep in defence. Athletic and good below his feet. Good contested mark but still drops too many. Great set shot for goal. Has onfield poresence but needs more possies around the ground. Still young and a project player, being a code defector.

If we could combine their collective skills into one person, we'd have an almost Natanui. But we can't.

We play Warnock because he is the best tap ruckman. We play Kreuzer because he is a sacred cow. We tried to play three rucks because Hampson shows more promise than the others around the ground and as a marking forward. It hasn't worked because even when Hamnpson and Kreuzer are in the forward line we kick it to Eddie instead. That resulted in the farcical situation against WCE where Kreuzer roved an Eddie contested marking situation and kicked a goal.

If Hampson or Kreuzer can't make it as a marking forward, we can't keep playing the three of them in the one side. IMO, of the three, Kreuzer is the one who should miss out. He isn't as good as Warnock at the stoppages and he isn't as good as Hampson around the ground or in the forward line. Would the MC countenance dropping him? Not on yuor nelly.

Warnock has to be retained because of the hufty magufty we went through to get him as he was going to be the next big thing. Getting rid of him or Kreuzer would be an admission of fault by someone so what happens? We lose Jacobs and I think e will lose Hampson. That would be a pity IMO because he has the most potential of any of the three in the long term.

He's a GC boy IIR. Maybe we could try and get Caddy for him. Or someone. Caddy wants to come home. Caddy wants Essendon*. Essendon* want Caddy. Essendon* will be above us on the ladder so we have the bargaining chip.

Then we can watch Hampson develop with the kids at GC and be a power with them when they rise inexorably to the top echelons of the league while we are trying to do the same with lesser players. Our window was now until about 2014. The now bit is shot to ribbons. Time to send the injured to the surgeon a la Collingwood 2005 and prepare the next level of players for their futures. Ratts says Judd is injured. Ok we can cripple him or get him ready for next year. Kreuzer's knee is apparently still playing up. We can cripple him or get him ready for next year. Yarran's toe is a worry. We can cripple him or get him ready for next year. Laidler might be ready in a few weeks. We can bring him back and maybe he will be OK but we brought him back too early once before. We can cripple him or get him ready for next year.

Ease a few games into Kerr, Dale, Mitchell, Bootsma, Collins, Buckley, Lucas. Don't kill them. Just give them a run and have a good look at them and anyone else who might make it. O'Keefe is a solid kid. It may be he is the one we have to try and get fit and healthy fir the modern game. We will drop to about 14th. OK so what? 14th or 9th. No difference in the glory stakes but a higher draft pick for sure. Collingwood and WCE both went this path when they had to. Nobody really thinks they tanked because their injuries were so bad. It's time we looked at a strategic plan for the Judd era and beyond. No Passengers? I say no band aids!

The coaching issue is another issue altogether and I don't propose to enter it but the committee certainly will at some stage.

(Edited for shit typing mistakes and no guarantee I found them all.)

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Well done BS, however you did miss one typing mistake when you said:

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

EFA

That load of BS made a bit of sense ...

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!

Synbad is largely right. Judd trade was the catalyst we needed but not a clear win. However I don't think most supporters understand we need a complete rebuild with draft picks and kids. I would rather the club did it properly and take 5 years than support a club with various false dawns over 30

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Essendon* went out and got Thompson in July of 2010. And Hird. Carlton need to start looking now.
Thats why Ratten should be sacked. He is done and dusted.
Let the process begin to get the best available coach out there.
Have a separate interview panel go through the process to get the best coach.
Is this possible given the state of the club and the personel within the four walls.
That's the frustrating thing for me. I have seen this coming for a decade and its near but will the "old Carlton" not allow it which sets us back another 5 years
The culture must change.
Hopefully a smart person sees what a disaster we are and challenges Mr Kernahan and gets rid of him.

It just has to happen. Wait any longer and another year wasted means more years of rebuilding.

Interesting how many TC people are now coming around to pessimists points of view.

Oh KK Jacobs wasnt bad last night. At least he puts a body on his opponent.

Noone wants to be pessimistic
i think we just wanna know were on the right track for a flag

thats what footy is about.

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Yep 45 hitouts many to advantage
14 possessions
one goal
plenty of spoiling helping out his teammates
grunt work KK

KK it makes me cry when I see big sauce doing his stuff whilst we suffer with Warnock and Beames racks up another 30 possessions for the pies.

This is another great example of why we are in crisis.
If you @#$%&! up enough and are too arrogant to see it you end up in shit.

You must be part of the inner circle at Royal Parade

Sorry a realist Synners.

I too am absolutely certain that we will f#$k up the next coach. It will be another quick fix solution. Even the Saints have appeared to rebuild quicker than us. Mark my words, Scott Watters will take that side back into the top part of the 8 over the next 3 years. He has a football brain. We let go of our football brains over the last decade or more (Worsfold, Lyon and Brittain to name 3)

Naive fools on this site had a go at me two years ago when I said we are turning into the next Richmond. We are now more than half way there with no real evidence that things will change

Naive fools had a go at me two years ago when it was apparent that our game plan was a mixed bag incongruous actions, highlighted by the most inept forward line structure. A good run with injuries and some false dawns made them feel vindicated. It was all bullshyte

Stop defending this mediocrity and this downward spiral with excuses about injuries and umpiring. We need to turn the heat up on this amateur organisation that survives on the money of benefactors. Is there anybody at board level who can turn things around for us over a sustained period, not just by employing a Roos or a Malthouse?

Thank God people of my vintage have the memories of 1970 onwards. What about our kids? We've sentenced them to prolonged period of misery.

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99 true

i think a few of us have been worried with what this cub is becoming/ has become.
but were still conditioned by the feats of the past to believe.

problem is the past is the past....

if there is one thing that gets up my goat... its blind following.

the scarponi model of supporter.

even if what i say is unjustified at times.. at least its about putting a rocket up them to perform.

having people following the pied piper stuff by Sticks and co... hmmmmmm whatever happened to those kids anyway????

sticks and co are the most unaccountable people in sport.
The amount of stuff ups they have been involved in.. and people still are happy to follow.

just goes to show what todays people have become.... just sheepies
never question anything.. everything has to be neat and tidy and no noise.. lol

Thats so [REDACTED] up its not funny!!!

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I reckon the culture of the Carlton playing list has one more coach sacking after Ratts left in it. They buckle too easy and blame others and us fans gobble up the unsaid excuses and buy into the uninspiring dull "sack the coach" line of thinking.

Touhy and Bootsma have the attitude. Its their generation that will bring change to things. The Fev era has messed the rest up.

Loved Fev though.

The beauty of Sauce ( ) is you pretty much know what you are gunna get when he runs out. He'll rarely be best on ground but will leave nothing out there. You can rely on him to do his job.

We hold our collective breath with 206 and Hammer. There's such a gap between their best - which can be brilliant - and worst. We never know which way it's going to go.
Will Hammer pluck those big high marks when know he can and bag a few goals ... or fumble chest marks like the Cats game?
Will 206 hold onto to any mark at all and get more than two kicks? We're never quite sure.

And that's the way it is with too many of our players.

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!

Maybe.. but Ratts should have been moved on by now and we would have been getting to the ultimate coach quicker.

Ratten cant plant seeds and harvest.

He isnt smart enough and doesnt know how.

the culture of the playing list is a reflection on the culture of the club.


Blaming Fev is ridiculous.. you need to look much higher up.....

Fev is a reflection of the culture of the club too...


Funny how people look at the hole in the donut and not the whole of the donut!!

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