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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:31 am 
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We will not w in a flag with fatten as coach. When will the club see the light?


Welcome back MJ. You must have been in deepest darkest Mongolia with Synbad for the past month without the Internet. We hadn't heard from either of you for the past 3 weeks and I was starting to worry the tribesmen had gotten you both.

Obviously all is well though but alas I see 'The Song Remains The Same'.

Regards Cazzesman


Oh careful, that's considered pathetic around here


I bet Carrots wishes he had some of the protection that's been on offer in here over the last few days.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:35 am 
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Heavs ... maybe they should take all rules away... be abit more telling .... im sure Carrazzo is big enough and ugly enough to look after himself in any situation...im sure he can take it and dish it out...

Pass your thoughts to the coach...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:37 am 
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Boy oh boy did the hun enjoy that

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Essendon* champion Matthew Lloyd summed up the feelings of most when he suggested the Bombers should tank against Carlton.

While he didn't use that word, everyone knew that's what he was alluding to by saying the Bombers should play it safe against the raging premiership favourite and focus their energies on Anzac Day against the troubled Magpies.

His theory stacked up given the hype and excitement around the Blues and the fact Collingwood was injury-hit and had four days to prepare for the biggest home and away game on the calendar.

Surprisingly, his old teammates didn't agree, but the Carlton players clearly did.

They arrived at the MCG clearly happy with life and expecting to go through their paces. Instead they were confronted by a hard-nosed outfit that has found the winning feeling

Gloating, but unfortunately true gloating.

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The injury excuse that Carlton fans will look to use was evened up as the day progressed. While Carrazzo's loss was big and defender Jeremy Laidler was forced to play out the game with a dodgy knee, the Bombers lost key forward Hurley in the opening minutes of the third quarter with a hamstring injury.

Presumptuous much?

Would've been like the office Christmas party down there.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:55 am 
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On the injury thing, Gullan could have included Yarran and Curnow who clearly weren't right. He could have also mentioned that the game was pretty much shot by the time Hurley went off. We lost the game in the 2nd.

But anyway Scott, have a look through the last two days of posting on here and see if you can find many 'fans using the injury excuse' for the reason why we lost.

We dont yearn to be 'brave'.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:57 am 
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I am still shell-shocked. My worrying started when I heard the odds before the game.
Walking to the ground I hear Carazzo's injured and off and then 5 min later Laidler. I sensed it was going to be one of those days.
Essendon* and by that mean I mean Thompson employed the hawthorn model of being overly aggressive and bullying and unsettled us for 2 quarters.
It took till after half time to compose ourselves but when you play catch up footy, you can't miss simple set shots.
Just a horror day all round.
Anyone blaming McLean is kidding themself. He's a scapegoat. Sometimes when we are on the back foot, the superstars have to get dirty and stem the flow.
The difference between us on Sat and a Geelong or even Collingwood of last year is that they can sense things aren't going their way, batten down and stop the bleeding then wait for opportunities to score. Thats something we have to learn to do and fast because Ess has given other teams the blueprint which the middle rage teams, North, Syd, will try to emulate.


I'm not blaming McLean for the loss, but his selection and use was based on a best-case-scenario, not worse. Had he been able to come on at 3/4 time to replace Lucas, for example, we would have been far better off. We would probably still have lost the game we should have won by 6 goals.

Anyone who thinks that McLean's selection as sub was a good one,.......... :wink: .

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:58 am 
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We are typecast no matter what.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:08 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
Boy oh boy did the hun enjoy that

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Essendon* champion Matthew Lloyd summed up the feelings of most when he suggested the Bombers should tank against Carlton.

While he didn't use that word, everyone knew that's what he was alluding to by saying the Bombers should play it safe against the raging premiership favourite and focus their energies on Anzac Day against the troubled Magpies.

His theory stacked up given the hype and excitement around the Blues and the fact Collingwood was injury-hit and had four days to prepare for the biggest home and away game on the calendar.

Surprisingly, his old teammates didn't agree, but the Carlton players clearly did.

They arrived at the MCG clearly happy with life and expecting to go through their paces. Instead they were confronted by a hard-nosed outfit that has found the winning feeling

Gloating, but unfortunately true gloating.

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The injury excuse that Carlton fans will look to use was evened up as the day progressed. While Carrazzo's loss was big and defender Jeremy Laidler was forced to play out the game with a dodgy knee, the Bombers lost key forward Hurley in the opening minutes of the third quarter with a hamstring injury.

Presumptuous much?

Would've been like the office Christmas party down there.


The thing that really irks me is that if we'd managed to win, Hurley going off would be the only reason why we did. :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:35 am 
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So other than West Coast who looks good? I don't believe the Essendon* hype. They're off to a cracking start but I would be REALLY surprised if they went the distance. Could be proven wrong though.

Hawthorn Geelong and Collingwood are all outside the top 8. Do we write them off? Hawthorn were premiership favorites. They don't look terribly great so far this year. They *could* lose their next too (I doubt they will lose to St Kilda though).

It's a bit bizarro world unless you're a West Coast supporter.

The good news is we're 3-1 and other than Carrazzo the team is pretty much full strength with Walker and Warnock to come in. We're still in a position to get to the St Kilda game at 5-1 if we can beat Fremantle this week. Beat Freo and St Kilda and the Blues are right in the mix to be 9-1 before the Geelong game.

Before the start of the season would most supporters take 9-1 or 8-2 by Round 10? I think so.

I just hope this is the wake up call it should be.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:48 am 
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Just spoke to Carlton director this morning, yes they're filthy & he basically told me to watch the team that comes out this week.

I'm certain they'll redeem themselves.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:55 am 
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Just spoke to Carlton director this morning, yes they're filthy & he basically told me to watch the team that comes out this week.

I'm certain they'll redeem themselves.


I watched the team that came out Saturday.
It's not the end of the world but talk is cheap. Let's see what that statement means on Fri night.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:57 am 
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Figer wrote:
Just spoke to Carlton director this morning, yes they're filthy & he basically told me to watch the team that comes out this week.

I'm certain they'll redeem themselves.

All well and good to hear that now, but they had two hours on saturday where they should've been filthy and instead clenched their buttcheeks out of fear they'd get spanked. Talk is cheap.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:24 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
The list of things we hate seeing against Essendon*:
- Them cutting us up on the rebound without getting touched
Check
- Watching injuries occur to important players
Check
- Watching smug pricks like Davey and Monfries cutting us up
Check
- Watching them benefit from bullshit free kicks and 50m penalties
Check
- Our guys going half-arsed at the ball carrier and missing tackles
Check
- Our guys panicking with the ball in hand and getting caught
Check
- Our guys missing easy shots on goal at crucial times
Check
- Our guys waiting for the easy ball out the back while they hunt in packs and work as a team
Check
- Fletcher running around on his own, doing what he wants (and kicking a goal)
Check


Also, add

- Monfries kicking the sealer and getting his smug prick face on the front page of the sports section
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:29 am 
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Essendon* played Carlton the way Hawthorn do, intimidate physically, throw in a few cheap shots, control the stoppages.
Until Carlton is able to withstand that kind of gameplan we'll continue to be beaten by teams who employ it, regardless of the talent of the opposition.

Ryder crashing into Murphy's back after he'd disposed of the ball, Carrazzo being driven into the ground etc etc
Essendon* set out to work us over physically and it worked.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:34 am 
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2 days later, I’m still really, really disappointed. I’ve got to admit I’d thought we’d moved beyond that kind of mentally-soft, ill-prepared, lazy performance. But clearly we haven’t. I thought we might finally be ready to compete with the big boys and have a serious tilt for the flag. But I’ve lost a little faith. Obviously our best is still good enough, but you can only be at your best some of the time. And we’re going to lose too many games if we can’t maintain a consistently high standard, even when we’re not at our best.

Up until half way through the second quarter, Essendon* we’re playing well but still didn’t look they believed they could win. We simply couldn’t/wouldn’t hold our nerve and guts it out for long enough. Defensively we were really, really poor. Sliced apart. And when you compare it to the really good teams (like Hawthorn and West Coast), I’m afraid we’re going to leak too many goals (no matter how well we play).


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:43 am 
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wasthesonofapreacherman wrote:
Henderson was one of our best. The amount of times he won a 50-50 contest and outplayed his opponent was one of the only positives from the match. The dropped mark was a monumental !@#$%& up, but he had plenty of credit in the bank.


I agree with that. But I still can't understand why his beautiful hands turn to concrete any time he gets near the forward 50. For a guy who played CHF as a junior, his marking has really struggled for us whenever he gets forward.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:52 am 
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Might give the papers radio & TV a miss for a few days.


And the internet. Helped a little, but not a lot.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:52 am 
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DIAMOTISM wrote:
It was the Essendon* loose man in defence, also the one in their attack and their other loose man in the middle which hurt us.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:52 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
2 days later, I’m still really, really disappointed. I’ve got to admit I’d thought we’d moved beyond that kind of mentally-soft, ill-prepared, lazy performance. But clearly we haven’t. I thought we might finally be ready to compete with the big boys and have a serious tilt for the flag. But I’ve lost a little faith. Obviously our best is still good enough, but you can only be at your best some of the time. And we’re going to lose too many games if we can’t maintain a consistently high standard, even when we’re not at our best.

Up until half way through the second quarter, Essendon* we’re playing well but still didn’t look they believed they could win. We simply couldn’t/wouldn’t hold our nerve and guts it out for long enough. Defensively we were really, really poor. Sliced apart. And when you compare it to the really good teams (like Hawthorn and West Coast), I’m afraid we’re going to leak too many goals (no matter how well we play).


Our defensive strategy had no plan B at all. Throw ins in our F50 often ended in a clearance to them and a fast break with absolutely no one for us back to stop it. It was 'off to the races' and our colts were left at the gate.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:57 am 
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ShanDog wrote:
Reasons we lost:
1. Essendon* dominated the ruck. If you use the Pies match last week as the contrasting example, we dominated hit outs and (in particular) hit outs to advantage. Against the Dons, we did not have first use of the footy out of the middle and the midfielders were forced into being reactive.


True. But we're going to lose the ruck battle again this week. And I hope that doesn't mean our midfield talent and MC can't find a way to nullify this disadvantage. Good midfields find a way, even when their ruckmen put in a shocker.

At least I guess Hammer's probably due another standout performance. Rounds 1 & 3 were the best games I'd seen him play. Rounds 2 & 4 barely sighted.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:44 pm 
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what actually happened is the bombers were smart to throw a few spanners in our works.
they imposed themselves physically.
they crowded their defence
they ran at our defence not kick it up high where Henderson laidler and dyg are good!
we could not did not adjust to any of this!

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