Logic? I'm not sure if there was logic there

My only point was that if you had of said to me at the start of the season that we would have two bad days, missed out on two gettable and would have a chance at 16.5 wins at the start of the season I would have taken it.

If after having two bad days, and two close results not go our way means we finish fifth this year, well I will wear it. We are one of a few clubs whose draw is even more scripted than the norm, so we can't really worry about it. We raked home 800k+ from the Collingwood game, so I've got no complaints about the draw.

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I'll take Cox, you take Nata.

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Without wanting to speak for The Spornstar, what he appears to be saying (and I happen to agree with him/her) is that the draw shapes the number of wins you have; it's not so much a matter of importance, but of effect. You don't operate in a vaccuum - other teams do influence your fortunes, for better or for worse.

I'm sure most people would agree that wins and losses are the most important measure of success - they determine ladder positioning, which is the most tangible way of gauging progression/regression. But numerous factors affect where a team finishes on the ladder and one of these is their fixture.

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No, that's not what I'm arguing. All I'm saying is the number of wins and losses we have will in part depend on how favourable our fixture is (it ain't a draw!). It doesn't make all the difference, obviously, it's just a factor, but I think it's a pretty important one. And when you have three sides that are pretty close together (ie Hawthorn, WCE and Carlton), then things like the fixture become really important, and this year, relative to those teams, we've been absolutely screwed by the fixture! Enough to cost us between 2 and 8 premiership points I reckon. That's pretty much all I'm trying to say here.

Just saw this now, summed it up nicely Blues2005

Can you explain how the fixture has screwed us from 2 to 8 points? Given you're starting with 2 points, you think the fixture contributed to the draw against Essendon*?

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Hmm, I'm not sure why you find their point of view so hard to understand. For instance, if we had played Gold Coast twice and Port twice rather than Collingwood twice and Essendon* twice it'd be safe to assume we would be 6 points ahead of where we are now. That's 1 win extra from GC and 2 more points factoring in the draw from Essendon*.

Do the Hawks and West Coast play Collingwood twice? I honestly am not sure. But if they do play them twice it'd be safe to say they would each lose both games.

Nah, they both played Collingwood only once.

I posted some stats earlier in this thread - but basically we have played more top 8 teams twice than both Hawthorn and West Coast, and less bottom 9 teams.

As the ladder stands right now we play 4 top 8 teams twice to both of them only playing 1 top 8 team twice.

So yes, I agree that the fixture this year has just happened to make it harder for us compared to them, and if we do finish top 4 it will be a pretty damn good effort on our part.

I reckon the bombers are the ones to do us the favour of knocking off the eagles. The Bombers have an annoying habit of winning the unwinnable, so west coast at subi is right up their alley... They are brave

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Nah if they win only one more game for the year they will knock off WC at Subi.

Like TC said they have a habit of winning games they shouldn't - see Geelong and Sydney. Just makes it all the more when they lose to teams like Richmond though.

The Hawks played Geelong twice and will play the doggies twice who we lost to. They only got to play the bombers once who they completely annihilated. You can argue about the draw for ever.

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Thanks Game, I'm glad someone else gets it.

We play Collingwood and Essendon* twice because we request it.

If the top 4 finishes how many expect it, we'd play only one of them twice...and you guys are complaining about our fixture?

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When we're a lock to play Richmond twice what's to complain about?

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I hope next year we request to play GWS, GC, Port and Brisbane twice.

Can anyone draw up a mock ladder to see what it'd look like if all teams only play once? From playing twice converting it to playing once: 2 wins - 1 win.
1 loss, 1 win - 1 draw
1 win, 1 draw - 3 points etc..

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