Nail on the head Sydney

And people go on as though these @#$%&! imbeciles had no impact on the game?

They were @#$%&! woeful as usual.

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The punch in the melon that AJ got that left him dazed on the ground whilst the Swans ran into an open goal.

The absolute riding of Murph into the ground 30m out directly infront. Imagine the Gwilt /Mooney free kick but twice as violent with half the doubt.

Shaw and Jack grabbed Murph and Judd at every single contest. Murph got three free's, but the umps think that this will modify his behaviour, it doesn't change how Shaw plays. I'm pretty sure every free was backward of centre or on the wing.

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Don't have the actual stats effes, but at the game I can recall Kennelly having so much of the ball in that last quarter I was wondering whether there was 2 of him.
Pretty much had it on a string.

He was continuously repelling our attacks and driving the swans forward in that crucial last quarter.

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YARRAN!!





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But its alright..we finished ahead in the free kick count

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For the benefit of the 40,600+ at the ground (including all AFL officials) who had NFI what that interchange cock-up was all about...

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Why? Because it doesn't suit your argument?

Often we hear the quote "Yeah. But where did we get them?" This game Defence Carlton 1 South 3; Midfield Carlton 13 South 9; Forward Carlton6 South 3.

Sometimes we hear "Yeah but they got that goal from a crap free". Goals from frees; Carlton 3 South 1.

Anyone who blames umpires for the result of a game of football cannot be taken seriously.

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It's not the ones that are paid, its the ones that aren't that make the biggest difference.

- Joseph copping a whack to the face, nothing, play on, his Swans opponent kicks a goal
- Bower tackles Goodes, Goodes drops the ball, somehow he gets a freekick for holding, play on advantage Swans goal
- Walker held twice blatantly by his opponent, one 5 meters out, the other about 40 meters out, both play on.
- Waite having a free paid against him for pushing off his opponent which the Swans gain possession from leading to a goal
- One of our guys got a free kick, play on advantage, Simpson kicks a goal, Waite given a kick in lieu of that for some reason, fortunate in the end he kicked it
- Mumford tackled on the wing, should have been holding the ball, wasn't, as such its a throw in, we don't have possession and have to win it back in a congested scrimmage. This also denied us a bit of momentum from the run, chase and tackle.
- Jack picks Judd up and spear tackles him to the ground, nothing, Murphy remonstrates, does nothing untoward, Sydney free kick.
- (edit: forgot this one) O'Keefe burrows into a stationary Bower arriving to tackle him, given an over the shoulder free, O'Keefe gives to Shaw who goals.

As I said, not the ones that are paid, rather the ones that aren't.

We shot ourselves in the foot in failing to take several chances but, regardless, it doesn't change the fact we were hosed on a number of calls.

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Sean,

I agree with most of those.

First "holding the man" with Walker looked suspiciously like Andrew was trapping opponent's arm under his armpit. On first viewing I was screamimg but on replay not so sure.

Waite push off to face was far too distant to the camera to be 100% sure but McBurney was much closer and I suggest it is not possible to argue with that on the evidence available to us.

In the next few days I'll have another look at the game and I bet I come up with a similar number of bad non-decisions which South could justifiably complain about.

Anyway, we had plenty of chances to win and didn't. Can't entirely blame the umps for our inability to goal for 19 consecutive inside 50s.

Regards,
kkk

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"You can't polish a James Hird"

I was at the game and IMO one person cost us this game and that was Lachlan Henderson. He choked on the big stage with his dropped marks and poor decisions under pressure and he will now have to have a huge pre season and come out on fire in the early stages of 2011 to redeem himself.

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That's exactly how it was. Walker clamped down on his opponents arms trying to seduce a free kick instead of chasing the ball and trying to keep it in our forward line. Unfortunately we demonstrated a few bad habits on the day that cost us including throwing heads back in the tackle and laying down for a free kick after copping a knock to the head.
It's a final. You dont wait for the umpire to do the work for you, you make it happen yourself. A few players embarrassed themselves IMO.



He cost us the game?
He's a 20 year old kid playing key position in an AFL final. What had you achieved a 20 years of age?
Most 20 year olds cant keep their bedroom clean let alone perform an integral role in front of 70 thousand people. Get some perspective.

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That said, for Walker to be able to clamp down on his arms they had to be wrapped around him in the first place. Another clear free kick directly in front of goal missed for us and most probably one that would've been paid down the other end.

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He certainly clamped down on the arms but he was in front and Mattner had arms around him. If it was Lloyd at FF it's a free everyday. It was good forward play by Walker to hold position.
Later he was blatantly retarded by Mattner pulling on his arm. no free.

p.s Walker was on Mattner in the last qtr. not Kenneally.

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I could only think of one other player on our list who would be able to compete with Goodes in the middle and perhaps limit his effectiveness when he went forward and that would have been Grigg. My opinion is that your suggestion of combating Goodes with one player doing it in the middle and another doing it when he went forward would have resulted in a replica of many other times when we played Sydney, it would look like Sydney had 5 extra players on the field.

I simply cannot understand how Judd getting spear tackled was not paid a free kick. This is something the AFL have been trying to get rid of yet if they don't penalise it players will keep doing it!!

It also happened to Waite in the Geelong match - no free kick paid either and he got up very groggy from that tackle. Hunt was later cited by the MRP and suspended a week. Of course the MRP were busy when the Carlton vs Swans game came up this week

I am not blaming the umpires at all, but you can not deny they were terrible in the first quarter.

Show me where in my post I blambed them for the result of the game?

I simply pointed out, that once again, they were terrible at what they're paid to do.

We only have ourselves to blame for the result but it doesn't mean these @#$%&! imbeciles shouldn't receive any criticism either.

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Is that you performing?

I just gave this a plug to SEN via twitter, maybe they will play it.

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By this argument Roos is a crap coach too for "letting" Judd go beserk in the 3rd quarter. IMO sometimes good players play well and there's not much you can do about it. That's why they are considered 'good' players.

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