Caz,

Patience is not the point. I certainly agree Ratten has been OK. I will repeat it again. He needs to improve. I can wait another year but unless he becomes more proacitve and displays and ability to impliment a plan "b", we won't beat the top sides. I have never read a post where you have not followed the party line. Also, I hope you are pushing your youth line when the name D. Kerr comes up. Don't come back posting how great a recruting move if we give up a first or second rounder for him. I just want to make sure you are batting for youth where it counts in the inner sanctum, not just running a hard line on this forum

Be an interesting test for Brett Ratten this week....plenty of comment mainly negative about Leigh Matthews coaching over recent months and that he is past it and I reckon Matthews must be on the edge of getting the chop with rumours that him and his main man J.Brown might not be getting on so well anymore..

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So has anyone actually called for Rattens head? I must've missed the posts wanting him sacked..

Why is it such a crime here to have an opinion away from the 'company line'?

I don't think it is Budzy!

A crime that is!

Many posters have been vociferous on Ratts this year... Synners obviously, and Michael Jezz too. Melvey has been critical. The Duke has been critical, as has cj69. Jarusa has been critical too.

Some of them may have called for Ratten's head, others may not. Regardless, I see plenty of posts going right away from being a company line. I've certainly had people debate my support of Ratten quite vociferously.

Not one person on TC has asked for Ratten to be sacked.

That's just silly.

There have been criticisms of aspects of his coaching and that is about it.

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oh that's fine then, spiffing in fact...anyone for some butter with their bread?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I didn't read the whole Jake Niall article, but if he's saying that Geelong "couldn't acquire the key forward they so desperately sought, and were forced to stick with kids"...

isn't he forgetting one Brad Ottens, whom Geelong traded draft picks to Richmond for? Granted, he's a ruck/forward, but they certainly weren't as 'pure' as all that.

Ottens is the exception and incidentally seems to be the only foreign legion addition to a team otherwise almost purely drafted -harley did play 1 game for Port - geelong is certainly a creature of the draft system

Agree with Cazz that we need to be patient understand that the steps/advancement are going to be incremental
Geelongs ultimate success begun in the draft of 2001 -where they got 6 picks in the first 40 -it takes time - and keep the faith

Disagree Frank, the 1998 and 1999 drafts produced these players for Geelong.

David Wojzinski

Mooney in a trade.

Joel Corey
Paul Chapman
Cameron Ling
Corey Enright

that is a fair return for two years.

not to mention Scarlett as a F/S in 1997!

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Sorry your right Mooney also foreign legion
You are wrong about 2001 not being pivotal to their success-without it they wouldnt be anywhere near where they are today
But still maintain 2001 was really the draft that got them going - they picked up bartel kelly steve johnson ABLETT arguably 3 of the 4 are their best players at the moment in that draft
They also picked up Playfair Gardiner and David Johnson in that draft- all who played senior games for their clubs this year -they got draft picks for playfair and gardiner last year and if Geelong wasnt so strong D Johnson would have played a lot more games
I would say that in fact 2001 was the best recruiting /drafting by a club in the history of the draft -absolutely remarkable
PS AGREE THAT 99 AND 98 WERE GOOD but as Bruce

I think if you check the Kerr thread I have contributed one post which was directed to DOA and had nothing to do with my thoughts on Kerr. I have no idea what hard line you are referring to in relation to Kerr.

Regards Cazzesman

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I don't think that there has been a post asking him to be sack, but there are quite a few who believe quite strongly that he should never been appointed, which you can take a little as wanting them sacked.

I have my reservations about Ratts, but I like that he is working on the most important issues first with the view of development rather than following the whims of posters on this site.

My question to the detractors of Ratts is how do you know that the players are following his instructions? How do you know how Ratts wants to develop the players? What merits does a player need to fulfill in order to get a call up to seniors?

So far most of the bagging of Ratts is peoples opinion that he's not developing the players the way that they would do it. Pagan had a saying that 90% of football is played above the shoulders, well I would say that the players state of mind is 3000% better than when Ratts took over.

Run the hard line to pursue youth and keep our first and second round draft picks when you are asked your opinion as whether Carlton should recruit D. Kerr.....push hard for youth Caz. You can do it. Represent the people with a hard lined youth policy

recruitment as a democracy - hey that's surely gotta work

JR's in

Out

Vote

Okay JR's legs get to play this week but his head's out!

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Regards Cazzesman

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There could be a phone-in or SMS-in number. Could be a great money-raiser for the club!

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a raffle!

oh hang on some say we are doing that now

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Well you might think that he's doing well developing our list but it's a mixed bag from where I sit.

Some kids get to drive down the freeway (offpeak ) to the destination while others are made to take the detour on the dirt track full of potholes..

..and another thing..

..juddy said in the paper today the club has a policy that all recruits must be able to potentially play 100 games ..and Ratts is looking at Jeff White??

mixed signals!!

ratts is on the outer ?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.