Great posts Ryan 2000 and Blue Insider.

I think the whole issue itself is being blown out of proportion, but the frustrating part is that all our dirty laundry is being made public. We know there issues in the off field part of the club, but until a viable alternative arises, we are stuck with what we have. With this being the case lets keep all this crap inhouse and stop giving the media a field day. The media muck rake, that is what they do, let's stop giving them reasons to write this crap.

That has aways happen at Carlton in good times and in bad.

Roos and Worsfold were unproven, untried assistant coaches 5 years ago. Now they're both premiership coaches.
Your point is short sighted at best.

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Roos had been caretaker coach and Worsfold was always groomed to return. I do agree though that a lack of an obvious choice is not reason to not look. As with the board, we should not make changes unless we have a carefully thought out viable alternative.

I agree we need an alternative before the board can be ousted. As for Roos and Worsfold, there are current candidates far more experienced and better credentialled than they were.
It just requires a courageous organisation to engage them.

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Meanwhile the oldest, most experienced coaches (Sheedy, Pagan, Matthews) have teams near the botttom of the ladder.

MOLTEN FRIDAY

2000
9 RICHMOND
10 SYDNEY
11 ADELAIDE
12 FREMANTLE
13 WEST COAST
14 PORT ADELAIDE
15 COLLINGWOOD
16 ST.KILDA

2006
1 WEST COAST
2 ADELAIDE
3 FREMANTLE
4 SYDNEY
5 COLLINGWOOD
6 ST KILDA
7 MELBOURNE
8 WESTERN BULLDOGS

It is all a big cycle and Carlton's main problem is that we were excluded from the draft and it has caused everyone to go spastic - sack the coach etc. If we'd picked up Goddard and Wells and then Cooney and Walker the next year, add to that another 6 picks in the 50 and we wouldn't be where we are now. No one would be calling for Pagan to be sacked and everything would be rosy.

When Carlton, Essendon* and North were near the top, Reiwoldt, Judd, Pavlich, Ball, Haselby were all being picked up and look where those clubs are now. You can't pick some bloke playing district cricket and expect him to bowl Ricky Ponting out just like you can't take late draft pick after late draft pick and expect them to match up against the Reiwoldts, Judds and Pavlichs.

When you get your shot at the top you want a Pagan, Sheedy or Matthews in your corner, not a Thompson, Clakeson, Laidley or the king nuff nuff of them all Grant Thomas.

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Maybe it's a cycle. Maybe the modern game has passed them by.

Enter Stephen Moulten.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html

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Crossisca and McKenna are the best untried coaches going around

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Without interviewing anyone, we'd all be guessing.
As it is, they'd probably be 4th or 5th on my list.
The main candidates available would probably be the best qualified in the history of the game. Many would be level 3 coaches with tertiary qualifications in a related field.

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But the big difference is that Sheedy and Matthews had complete control of their lists from their last premiership. Pagan inherited a very rough and patched list. Yes he added a couple of dodgies but he has a team of recruiters working with him who don't cop anywhere near the flak he does. Compared to when Pagan came to the club the list is twice as good now - young and building - but definately better. Sheeds is still patching. Matthews is part of the cycle. They are all different.

what have they done that Mitchell hasn't? Just wondering.

Dont worry about the cycle.

Its all well and good to be picking top draft picks.

But do we have the resources and infrastructre in place to bring the best out of these higher draft picks.

My guess is no.

Our current board thinks that high draft picks and time will take us back to the top of the ladder - this is delusional thinking.

There needs to be a plan, resources put into the Football Department for player development etc. etc. Where is it?

Tell me, Show me.

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Winston Churchill

Agro the other real issue is, that we need the kids to be content and happy moving together towards the ultimate goal and with all this infighting on and off the field, sooner or later a Thornton or Russell will walk.

Get this shit sorted out now!

The did try to walk but were bamboozeled back.

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Why are you asking us? speak to the club because they don't give a rats about forum posters and spend zero time here.
Make an appointment here: (03) 9387 1400

If you're that frustrated here's your chance.

2002- Last

2006- Last

In reality, you'd be surprised how many from the club read here, and I know for a fact at least one very senior person reads the forum regularly.

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