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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:33 pm 
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We have been rebuilding since about 2004 we went through years of tanking


Tanking is not the same as rebuilding. We didn’t start properly rebuilding until 2016. What went on from 2004-2015 has nothing to do with this group of players or coaches.

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Carlton needs to put the best team out each week


Are you suggesting we’re not fielding our best available team? Which gun players from our VFL side who lost by 20 goals would have made a winning difference to Carlton on Friday night?
Not suggesting it's a fact.
We have been doing it for years
Polson had done nothing to warrant a call up but Graham racks them up week in week out.
We lost an AA ruckman because we played Kruez and the lanky bean pole from the west in front of him.
And yet we play Casboult and allow Mackay and KJ to try and develop in the NB
There appears to be rules for some and not others

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Agree and disagree
Agree: There are different rules for different players
Disagree: We know what Graham brings to the table. We've seen it 50 odd times. It's not going to take us forward. We have yet to see what Polson brings. happy to give him half the games Graham has been given before making an informed assessment



We complain that Graham and Kerridge butcher the ball - but we expect the big forwards who are reciptients of the ball butchers in the reserves to play at another level before being selected - I ask ? would Casboult get a touch in the twos if he got the same service that Mackay and KJ and Kerr were getting - and yet we choose to pick him every week

there doesn't on the surface appear to be any consistancy in the selection - If it is about development why do some have to develop at Preston why others at Etihad and MCG

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:36 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We have been rebuilding since about 2004 we went through years of tanking


Tanking is not the same as rebuilding. We didn’t start properly rebuilding until 2016. What went on from 2004-2015 has nothing to do with this group of players or coaches.

Sydney Blue wrote:
Carlton needs to put the best team out each week


Are you suggesting we’re not fielding our best available team? Which gun players from our VFL side who lost by 20 goals would have made a winning difference to Carlton on Friday night?
Not suggesting it's a fact.
We have been doing it for years
Polson had done nothing to warrant a call up but Graham racks them up week in week out.
We lost an AA ruckman because we played Kruez and the lanky bean pole from the west in front of him.
And yet we play Casboult and allow Mackay and KJ to try and develop in the NB
There appears to be rules for some and not others

Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk


Agree and disagree
Agree: There are different rules for different players
Disagree: We know what Graham brings to the table. We've seen it 50 odd times. It's not going to take us forward. We have yet to see what Polson brings. happy to give him half the games Graham has been given before making an informed assessment



We complain that Graham and Kerridge butcher the ball - but we expect the big forwards who are reciptients of the ball butchers in the reserves to play at another level before being selected - I ask ? would Casboult get a touch in the twos if he got the same service that Mackay and KJ and Kerr were getting - and yet we choose to pick him every week

there doesn't on the surface appear to be any consistancy in the selection - If it is about development why do some have to develop at Preston why others at Etihad and MCG


There is no one size fits all approach to player development. Happy for the club to tailor development according to each players’ needs and the needs of the team.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:01 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Essendon**** played finals last year. The year after their ban. I don't think they have a better list, but they've got better mental strength.


Absolute rocks in your head if you think our list is as good as Essendon***’s:

Daniher vs Casboult
Heppell vs Cripps
Merrett vs Murphy
Hooker vs C Curnow
Zaharakis vs E Curnow
McGrath vs SPS
Goddard vs Simpson
Hurley vs Marchbank
Smith vs Wright
Parish vs Dow
Bellchambers vs Kreuzer

Kreuzer is a win to us.
Cripps, C Curnow and Simpson break even at this point.
The rest of those matchups we lose, quite significantly in some cases (see Casboult and Marchbank). Anyone who thinks our list isn’t poor/vastly inexperienced must be biased. Success this year is going to require good structures and a tonne of youthful enthusiasm.


Really? Parish in his 3rd year against Dow who has played 3 games? :lol:

Ask the other 16 coaches who is better, Charlie Curnow or Cale Hooker.
Or Patrick Cripps or Dyson Heppell.
Heppell turns 26 next month and has achieved nothing. Last season his own supporters were calling for him to be dropped!
I'd also take a 21 year old Caleb Marchbank before Michael Hurley who turns 28 in 7 weeks.
Kade Simpson was in the All australian squad in 2016, represented his country in 2017 and is a far more influential player than Brendon Goddard now.

I'd question several of your judgements.
I wouldn't worry about Essendon**. John Worsfold will be gone long before Brendan Bolton is.


Agree to disagree on some player comparisons, but importantly, I too would take Marchbank, Cripps and Curnow for the long term, but Duke’s implication was that our list is as good as Essendon*’s right now, which it is clearly not.

Essendon* are a team built for now, we are still a team built for tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:02 pm 
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We started training before anyone pretty much, so how are we so flat and so unfit? The defensive/back staying 10-20 meters off an opponent game plan is head in sand stuff, can only surmise why we would stick with it when it is destroying us. Stubbornness maybe? Soon as we get in front we stop.. go defensive and play the boundry/slow play, seen this time and time again...this is clearly a mental problem...they are playing scared. The same thing happens when we are challenged and teams get a run on, bang/ straight back into the slow play boundry. Now why can't we instill some bravery into this lot by having them grit their teeth and not give in and backdown; but have the courage to keep attacking going straight at the opposition. That is the hard option, the other way is the easy option.
And our forward press is diabolical, we overcommit-teams kill us on the counter, it is so predictable.
If a game plan can't be understood in 2 hours by your dumbest player it should be thrown out. And if you can't adjust and throw a style out the window that doesn't work you are not going to progress.
Richmond understood this... threw the shackles off, kept it simple..they enjoy playing football you can see it, meanwhile at Carlton you can see the grind.
And the tigers list is not that great, sensational backline but that's about it.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:18 pm 
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I don’t think it’s a fitness issue.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:02 pm 
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no Docherty no Carlton


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:25 am 
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I was rapt when we appointed Bolts & haven't lost any confidence in him.

It's not his fault that blueman's world war is taking its time

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:45 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I was rapt when we appointed Bolts & haven't lost any confidence in him.

It's not his fault that blueman's world war is taking its time


It’s coming. Once the Chinese take over Vanuatu it’s on.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:47 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I was rapt when we appointed Bolts & haven't lost any confidence in him.

It's not his fault that blueman's world war is taking its time
:clap:

Go you good things

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:25 pm 
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The jumper looks good..


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:24 pm 
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I still have my doubts about Bolton's match day coaching. It's almost as if he is loathe to stray from the 'plan' (whatever that is) and at least try new things.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:44 pm 
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So I got the Carlton season guide in the mail today.

In it I read that after 2 years as defensive coach, Dale Amos was moved to stoppages and replaced by Cameron Bruce.

Umm, can we get Dale back with the defenders please Juddy ?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:45 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
So I got the Carlton season guide in the mail today.

In it I read that after 2 years as defensive coach, Dale Amos was moved to stoppages and replaced by Cameron Bruce.

Umm, can we get Dale back with the defenders please Juddy ?


Tanking by stealth...welcome aboard Isaac Rankin

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:29 pm 
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https://twitter.com/RestingPlayers/stat ... 8917553152

A guy on twitter has attempted a breakdown of Carlton's defence. There's probably a few isolated incidents in there and a few things he's missed but there are some good points such as how aggressively we're pressing forward and how it can make you vulnerable on the switch. Worth a look anyway, read the comments to see all his posts.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:25 pm 
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A bit of sensibility amongst the hysteria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYHU4l4Jgjw

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:39 pm 
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Some of us on TC are full of crap, notice i said some, they bag every coach we have had over the last 10 years and now they are into bolton and staff , the same culprits ( sack malthouse , sack ratten) are very visible to most tc people and they make the crap commentts day after day after day. We all know who they are.
Face facts, we wanted change , we got it so shut the @#$%&! up!! And we bag bigfooty's website!!
I have been a culprit of some incompetent , sometime dellusinal comments but we are on the right track!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:50 pm 
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There is nothing different, everything he's said we have heard before and understood the enormity. What we need to see and soon is an increase in effort, poise, and teamwork etc. We don't need to win 20 games this year we just need to see an increase in player and team efficiency. So far this year as a team we have been lack lustre and very disappointing.
Personally I'm not bashing my head against a wall or burning my membership but if we don't address some glaring problems (that Bolton himself is aware of and mentioned) it will be a long and frustrating season. As Bolton is aware of these indicators I expect them to work on rectifying the problems sooner rather than later and getting us back on track.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:16 pm 
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redback wrote:
There is nothing different, everything he's said we have heard before and understood the enormity. What we need to see and soon is an increase in effort, poise, and teamwork etc. We don't need to win 20 games this year we just need to see an increase in player and team efficiency. So far this year as a team we have been lack lustre and very disappointing.
Personally I'm not bashing my head against a wall or burning my membership but if we don't address some glaring problems (that Bolton himself is aware of and mentioned) it will be a long and frustrating season. As Bolton is aware of these indicators I expect them to work on rectifying the problems sooner rather than later and getting us back on track.

How about you anoint your next whipping coach now, because obviously he is not up to standard.

We are waiting on your astute observation !!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:18 pm 
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redback wrote:
There is nothing different, everything he's said we have heard before and understood the enormity. What we need to see and soon is an increase in effort, poise, and teamwork etc. We don't need to win 20 games this year we just need to see an increase in player and team efficiency. So far this year as a team we have been lack lustre and very disappointing.
Personally I'm not bashing my head against a wall or burning my membership but if we don't address some glaring problems (that Bolton himself is aware of and mentioned) it will be a long and frustrating season. As Bolton is aware of these indicators I expect them to work on rectifying the problems sooner rather than later and getting us back on track.

No !! you don't understand the enormity of the situation that is the problem!!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:49 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
redback wrote:
There is nothing different, everything he's said we have heard before and understood the enormity. What we need to see and soon is an increase in effort, poise, and teamwork etc. We don't need to win 20 games this year we just need to see an increase in player and team efficiency. So far this year as a team we have been lack lustre and very disappointing.
Personally I'm not bashing my head against a wall or burning my membership but if we don't address some glaring problems (that Bolton himself is aware of and mentioned) it will be a long and frustrating season. As Bolton is aware of these indicators I expect them to work on rectifying the problems sooner rather than later and getting us back on track.

No !! you don't understand the enormity of the situation that is the problem!!
Trigger wrote:
redback wrote:
There is nothing different, everything he's said we have heard before and understood the enormity. What we need to see and soon is an increase in effort, poise, and teamwork etc. We don't need to win 20 games this year we just need to see an increase in player and team efficiency. So far this year as a team we have been lack lustre and very disappointing.
Personally I'm not bashing my head against a wall or burning my membership but if we don't address some glaring problems (that Bolton himself is aware of and mentioned) it will be a long and frustrating season. As Bolton is aware of these indicators I expect them to work on rectifying the problems sooner rather than later and getting us back on track.

How about you anoint your next whipping coach now, because obviously he is not up to standard.

We are waiting on your astute observation !!



Read it again you might come up with something else or is that stretching you a bit? :yikes:


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