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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:55 pm 
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Harry Vallence

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emtwenty wrote:
The best bit about Byrne is he's shown he's capable in a forward position too. So creative and lots of tricks.


Reckon he could be a jet on the HF line (though could be thwarted as learning the forward craft at CFC).
Would like to at least see him pushed up onto the wing and out the back line but he's capable of slotting into many positions. Teach him well BB & crew.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:47 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I think Thomas would like to repay the club.
If it all ended for him in 2015 it wouldn't be a good look and would tarnish his reputation.
No one would like that, so Im expecting a big year from him.

We need forwards, and when on song he's good, especially in the one on one situations.


It is the midfield where we have to win to allow us to be competitive, and can't help having big bodied mids in the guts with fleet footed elusive types on the outside.

No doubt Kreuzer will be first ruck and part of the big bodied midfield brigade, but we need for Gibbs to stand up next to Cripps in the trenches and ideally would love to see Plowman in there with them with Curnow and Kerridge coming in from a wing to tag then HF's, maybe Thomas or Docherty pushing up the the wing to cover Curnows opponent.

The other fleet footed players on the outside would be Murphy, Boekhurst and Simpson. If Sumner can be fit and have a dip in the midfield and find his old explosive pace then we have a midfield group that could stand up to the bigger named midfields like:

Hawks: Lewis, Mitchell with Hodge Burgoyne
WEC: Priddis,Redden Shuey with Yeo Gaff
Freo: Fyfe Mundy Barlow with Crowley etc
Cats 2016: Selwood Dangerfield with Selwood Bartel Gunston

Big bodied mids will help us win contests and gain possession.

If we have the ball, the opposition don't. That's a good start.

If our mids get slaughtered, the backs have no hope stopping the baall coming in and the forwards never see it.
If the mids break even, the backs have time to see what is happening in front of them and the forwards get some good delivery to go with the crap.
If our mids are on top and the coach has a plan other than bomb it to Sticks/Fev/Levi, they should get some good delivery and the backs will have an easier job when the ball comes in under pressure.

Where to begin?


If you look at Bolton's former home at Hawthorn, even prior to adding rucking strength with McEvoy and Hale, their mods won considerable ball but didnt just bomb it like Robbo use to do and Carlton have been known to do. There's sytems for them getting the ball out of the middle. Cripps seems to be tuned to winning the nut and getting the ball out to a man on the outside, so often was Murphy.

I think system going forward and holding onto possession (keeping control) will continue as Boltons mantra.

I'm feeling bullish, because I'm expecting a huge improvement with fitness, form and luck for Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy and Cripps, but it's easy to be bullish this time of the year.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:28 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I think Thomas would like to repay the club.
If it all ended for him in 2015 it wouldn't be a good look and would tarnish his reputation.
No one would like that, so Im expecting a big year from him.

We need forwards, and when on song he's good, especially in the one on one situations.


It is the midfield where we have to win to allow us to be competitive, and can't help having big bodied mids in the guts with fleet footed elusive types on the outside.

No doubt Kreuzer will be first ruck and part of the big bodied midfield brigade, but we need for Gibbs to stand up next to Cripps in the trenches and ideally would love to see Plowman in there with them with Curnow and Kerridge coming in from a wing to tag then HF's, maybe Thomas or Docherty pushing up the the wing to cover Curnows opponent.

The other fleet footed players on the outside would be Murphy, Boekhurst and Simpson. If Sumner can be fit and have a dip in the midfield and find his old explosive pace then we have a midfield group that could stand up to the bigger named midfields like:

Hawks: Lewis, Mitchell with Hodge Burgoyne
WEC: Priddis,Redden Shuey with Yeo Gaff
Freo: Fyfe Mundy Barlow with Crowley etc
Cats 2016: Selwood Dangerfield with Selwood Bartel Gunston

Big bodied mids will help us win contests and gain possession.

If we have the ball, the opposition don't. That's a good start.

If our mids get slaughtered, the backs have no hope stopping the baall coming in and the forwards never see it.
If the mids break even, the backs have time to see what is happening in front of them and the forwards get some good delivery to go with the crap.
If our mids are on top and the coach has a plan other than bomb it to Sticks/Fev/Levi, they should get some good delivery and the backs will have an easier job when the ball comes in under pressure.

Where to begin?


If you look at Bolton's former home at Hawthorn, even prior to adding rucking strength with McEvoy and Hale, their mods won considerable ball but didnt just bomb it like Robbo use to do and Carlton have been known to do. There's sytems for them getting the ball out of the middle. Cripps seems to be tuned to winning the nut and getting the ball out to a man on the outside, so often was Murphy.

I think system going forward and holding onto possession (keeping control) will continue as Boltons mantra.

I'm feeling bullish, because I'm expecting a huge improvement with fitness, form and luck for Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy and Cripps, but it's easy to be bullish this time of the year.


I think our best case scenario is a season like St Kilda had this year, reasonably competitive throughout and 6-8 wins. That isn't out of reach if the experienced boys have good pre seasons.

Worst case scenario is like the majority of this year without the mid year spike.

Personally I think we will be similar to this year, 3-4 wins and a percentage of around 70, and more hope as the side will be younger.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:35 am 
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Our Best 22:

A brace of ageing former No 1 picks, a couple of veterans and a fresh intake of kids. To pad it out we've let a couple of Subcontracts to GWS and Adelaide!

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:19 pm 
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Like the addition of Gorrige..
Will change 10 times before round 1 but, for now, with the hope of some players landing at us,
Here we go,
Simpson Jamison Plowman
Thomas Weitering Francis (pick 8 hope)
Docherty Cripps Sumner
Lamb Walker Kerridge
Everitt Casboult McKay (pick 11 hope)
Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
From; Tuohy Gorrige Buckley Boekhorst
Graham Rainbow Phillips Gresham (pick 19 hope)
Curnow Byrne Sheehan Whiley Smith Jaksch
SOS2, Foster will take some time..
Little depth there, still lack another few mids and another key forward..
All in time though.
Walker as the lead up forward, Casboult and McKay are the stay at home forwards.
Looking forward to the draft and preseason..


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:51 pm 
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Weitering obvious but Francis (hope) instead of Tuohy? But overall not bad blueboy23, knowing what we do at the present.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:00 am 
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One of the many weaknesses we had in 2015 was lack of forward pressure. I think in some of the teams people are putting together we're getting more medium forwards etc but say a combination of Walker / Everitt / Casboult will leak heavily without resting mids / Sumner / Smith (?) and / or others to assist. I just don't think we'll be able to play such a forward line.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:46 am 
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If you structure the midfield around it, it can work, but otherwise yes, 3 talls and a medium forward not renowned for forward pressure is going to hurt us.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:50 pm 
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In keeping with tonight's draft which I'm really happy with, here is a team leaving out blokes 26+ who won't be there when we are a starting to dominate again!
Tuhoy Plowman jaksch
Buckley Weitering Docherty
Kerrige Cripps Cunningham
Sumner Casboult lamb
silvagni McKay boekhurst
Kreuzer c Curnow Graham

Where are we strong / weak at this point? Hopefully a lot of these blokes play a lot of games for the club!!


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:49 pm 
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Hoping to see something like this roll out in round 1..

FB Buckley Jamison Weitering
HB Docherty Jaksch Tuohy
C Simpson Cripps Everitt
HF Kerridge Casboult Lamb
FF Walker Gorringe Sumner
Foll Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
I/C Boekhorst Armfield Plowman E Curnow
Emerg: Graham Thomas Byrne

If Jaksch/Weitering aren't able to hold down 2nd and 3rd talls, bring in Rowe for one of them
Would like to see all the small defenders rotate through the middle, Walker stay at home fwd. If Sumner isn't up to it, bring in Thomas.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:23 am 
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Start of 2016 Season:

FB: Plowman Jamison Byrne
HB: Docherty Weitering Tuohy
C: Buckley Gibbs Simpson
HF: Boekhorst Everitt Walker
FF: Cuningham Casboult McKay

RR: Kreuzer Cripps Murphy

Int: Curnow Thomas Kerridge Armfield

Reserves:

FB: Dick Jaksch White
HB: Sheehan Rowe Viojo-Rainbow
C: Lamb Tutt Gowers
HF: Sumner Foster Smith
FF: Jones Gorringe Curnow

RR: Phillips Whiley Graham

Int: Wood Silvagni Korcheck ??


From that, it's glaringly obvious that we're going to push Jones and Tutt out ASAP, but also that we lack high-endurance runners outside of our 22. Curnow needs to build up his fitness before getting a senior berth, while Weitering and Cuningham can slot straight in.

McKay's athleticism is just too good to pass up as a third tall option.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:06 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Start of 2016 Season:

FB: Plowman Jamison Byrne
HB: Docherty Weitering Tuohy
C: Buckley Gibbs Simpson
HF: Boekhorst Everitt Walker
FF: Cuningham Casboult McKay

RR: Kreuzer Cripps Murphy

Int: Curnow Thomas Kerridge Armfield

Reserves:

FB: Dick Jaksch White
HB: Sheehan Rowe Viojo-Rainbow
C: Lamb Tutt Gowers
HF: Sumner Foster Smith
FF: Jones Gorringe Curnow

RR: Phillips Whiley Graham

Int: Wood Silvagni Korcheck ??


From that, it's glaringly obvious that we're going to push Jones and Tutt out ASAP, but also that we lack high-endurance runners outside of our 22. Curnow needs to build up his fitness before getting a senior berth, while Weitering and Cuningham can slot straight in.

McKay's athleticism is just too good to pass up as a third tall option.

Isn't Curnow already fit? I heard he had an enormous tank already thanks to his aths background.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:09 am 
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FB: Tuohy Jamison Weitering
HB: Docherty Plowman Simpson
C: Buckley Gibbs E.Curnow
HF:Walker Jaksch C.Curnow
FF: Everitt Casboult Sumner

RR: Kreuzer Cripps Murphy

Int: Thomas Kerridge Byrne Graham


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Our depth and options all of a sudden look much healthier ....

or maybe that's just the post-draft glow?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Isn't Curnow already fit? I heard he had an enormous tank already thanks to his aths background.

He ran a 14.5 beep and a good 3km time, but his sprint results weren't great. He's gotta shed some puppy fat ala Cripps because I think his burst is much better than he tested (3.15 in the 20 m sprint).

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:11 am 
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FB: White Jamison Byrne
HB: Docherty Gorringe Tuohy Weitering
C: Buckley Gibbs Simpson
HF: Boekhorst Everitt Walker
FF: Casboult Thomas

RR: Kreuzer Cripps Murphy

Int: E.Curnow Jaksch Kerridge Plowman


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:33 am 
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Hoping both Buckley & even more so Docherty push up into the midfield this year. With Simpson, Curnow and Tuhoy back there it should allow us to free those two up.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:41 am 
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Jamison Weitering

Docherty Plowman Touhy Byrne

Kreuzer

Buckley Gibbs Murphy Cripps Simpson

Boekhurst Casboult Kerridge Walker


Sumner
Everitt


INT :- Curnow Armfield Cuningham Rainbow


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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FB: Plowman Jamison Byrne
HB: Tuohey Weitering Docherty
C: Gibbs Kerridge Thomas
HF: Walker Jaksch Everitt
FF: Buckley Casboult C.Curnow

RR: Kreuzer Cripps Murphy

Int: E.Curnow, White, Simpson, Gorringe

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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I look forward to this 4 tall forward line people think we're gonna roll with.

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