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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:23 pm 
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It wouldn’t have hurt to have kept Dylan Buckey. He was good around the club, the boys loved him and he is missed around the locker rooms. He wouldn’t get a game but he was good valuable around the boys. Just saying


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:12 pm 
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We'll finish last for sure this year. Brissy did really well against Port today....we'd have lost by 6-7 goals. WBs are the only danger for us grabbing that cherished spoon. So we get the no.1 draft pick in a great draft year. We'll have a locker full of no.1 draft picks and should be set to dominate.

Of course it ain't that simple.....Murph is soft (mainly due to shoulder injuries), Kreuz's body has failed him over the years and is doing so yet again sadly, and JW is playing like a 2nd round draft pick.

The joys of being a Blues fan :razz:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:42 pm 
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My two cents worth...

Jones is a goose. Daisy is a goose. Casboult should not be our number one forward, we need a cocky bastard too lead our forward line....Harry Mckay??
Murphy isn’t captain material. He’d be a better player without that pressure.
Parko’s guts must have been absolutely churning last night watching us. He is correct, we have no leaders. Doc is probably our best. Gibbs leaving has set us back two years.

It can turn quickly from here though. The team needs to gel. Another year of development and a stab at the draft will see us winning 50% of our games. We need to poach a star too.

Importantly, I have faith and bolts seems to too.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:30 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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nice slag off of our play and leadership here by Ed - http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018- ... -ed-curnow

well spoken too, another coach in the making


Yep. Great perspective from Ed.


He's a very impressive bloke. If we didn't have Docherty and Cripps coming through, he'd be a terrific potential captaincy option. I think it's a mistake to think your captain's always got to be your best player. Both Carrots and Simmo should have been captains over the last 10 years.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:54 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
My two cents worth...

Jones is a goose. Daisy is a goose. Casboult should not be our number one forward, we need a cocky bastard too lead our forward line....Harry Mckay??
Murphy isn’t captain material. He’d be a better player without that pressure.
Parko’s guts must have been absolutely churning last night watching us. He is correct, we have no leaders. Doc is probably our best. Gibbs leaving has set us back two years.

It can turn quickly from here though. The team needs to gel. Another year of development and a stab at the draft will see us winning 50% of our games. We need to poach a star too.

Importantly, I have faith and bolts seems to too.

Just wondering how you can write those two statements one after the other.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:50 am 
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billc3 wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-calls-for-a-tighter-interpretation-of-the-holding-the-ball-rule/news-story/3c6c68a7c68a27331fb8ec683d3bac28#ampshare=https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-calls-for-a-tighter-interpretation-of-the-holding-the-ball-rule/news-story/3c6c68a7c68a27331fb8ec683d3bac28

Interesting call....
I see this as a huge tactic against us... Grab the ball and break tackles when the ball is in dispute... Generally there is no penalty for doing it.
(how many holding the ball decisions did we get for us last night...?)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:22 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
billc3 wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-calls-for-a-tighter-interpretation-of-the-holding-the-ball-rule/news-story/3c6c68a7c68a27331fb8ec683d3bac28#ampshare=https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-calls-for-a-tighter-interpretation-of-the-holding-the-ball-rule/news-story/3c6c68a7c68a27331fb8ec683d3bac28

Interesting call....
I see this as a huge tactic against us... Grab the ball and break tackles when the ball is in dispute... Generally there is no penalty for doing it.
(how many holding the ball decisions did we get for us last night...?)

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I'd like the ball being "knocked loose" to result in a HTB free as well.


That sounds like a pretty good idea.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:47 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
Wojee wrote:
billc3 wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-calls-for-a-tighter-interpretation-of-the-holding-the-ball-rule/news-story/3c6c68a7c68a27331fb8ec683d3bac28#ampshare=https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-calls-for-a-tighter-interpretation-of-the-holding-the-ball-rule/news-story/3c6c68a7c68a27331fb8ec683d3bac28

Interesting call....
I see this as a huge tactic against us... Grab the ball and break tackles when the ball is in dispute... Generally there is no penalty for doing it.
(how many holding the ball decisions did we get for us last night...?)

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I'd like the ball being "knocked loose" to result in a HTB free as well.


That sounds like a pretty good idea.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:56 pm 
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IMO, Bolts should be given 3 weeks to produce 2 wins. If not, part ways.

This is a business where winning is success, and prolonged failure is not tolerated. Our financials & signing talent depends on wins on the board and memberships in the bank. Only 1 of 3 means we're probably headed for another spoon. That can't be tolerated anymore.

We'll lose players like Cripps, Charlie and Fisher, but we also won't be able to bring in players like Buddy, Dangerfield, Mitchell etc.

Right now - we stink from top to bottom.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:20 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
IMO, Bolts should be given 3 weeks to produce 2 wins. If not, part ways.

This is a business where winning is success, and prolonged failure is not tolerated. Our financials & signing talent depends on wins on the board and memberships in the bank. Only 1 of 3 means we're probably headed for another spoon. That can't be tolerated anymore.

We'll lose players like Cripps, Charlie and Fisher, but we also won't be able to bring in players like Buddy, Dangerfield, Mitchell etc.

Right now - we stink from top to bottom.



And I'm sure it wasn't long ago when many were saying Carlton, with Bolts at the helm, would be a desirable place to head to.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:26 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
The Duke wrote:
IMO, Bolts should be given 3 weeks to produce 2 wins. If not, part ways.

This is a business where winning is success, and prolonged failure is not tolerated. Our financials & signing talent depends on wins on the board and memberships in the bank. Only 1 of 3 means we're probably headed for another spoon. That can't be tolerated anymore.

We'll lose players like Cripps, Charlie and Fisher, but we also won't be able to bring in players like Buddy, Dangerfield, Mitchell etc.

Right now - we stink from top to bottom.



And I'm sure it wasn't long ago when many were saying Carlton, with Bolts at the helm, would be a desirable place to head to.


On the back of what? We've won 1 game in 12. That makes us certs for the WS - again.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:51 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
IMO, Bolts should be given 3 weeks to produce 2 wins. If not, part ways.

This is a business where winning is success, and prolonged failure is not tolerated. Our financials & signing talent depends on wins on the board and memberships in the bank. Only 1 of 3 means we're probably headed for another spoon. That can't be tolerated anymore.

We'll lose players like Cripps, Charlie and Fisher, but we also won't be able to bring in players like Buddy, Dangerfield, Mitchell etc.

Right now - we stink from top to bottom.
:lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:53 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
IMO, Bolts should be given 3 weeks to produce 2 wins. If not, part ways.

This is a business where winning is success, and prolonged failure is not tolerated. Our financials & signing talent depends on wins on the board and memberships in the bank. Only 1 of 3 means we're probably headed for another spoon. That can't be tolerated anymore.

We'll lose players like Cripps, Charlie and Fisher, but we also won't be able to bring in players like Buddy, Dangerfield, Mitchell etc.

Right now - we stink from top to bottom.



FMD, The club has finally shown the guts to strip back the list and rebuild properly and the supporters are getting weak at the knees.
2 wins out of the next 3 or part ways? :grin:
The club has set a course which they openly told the supporters about. Did you complain about it when they initially decided to rebuild or were you in favour of it?

If you were in favour, at least extend them the courtesy of seeing it through. The hysteria over 3 losses is ridiculous.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:01 pm 
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Bit premature to call for Boltons head.

How many years did it take for Hardwick to get results? What about Thompson at Geelong. Need to show patience.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:14 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The Duke wrote:
IMO, Bolts should be given 3 weeks to produce 2 wins. If not, part ways.

This is a business where winning is success, and prolonged failure is not tolerated. Our financials & signing talent depends on wins on the board and memberships in the bank. Only 1 of 3 means we're probably headed for another spoon. That can't be tolerated anymore.

We'll lose players like Cripps, Charlie and Fisher, but we also won't be able to bring in players like Buddy, Dangerfield, Mitchell etc.

Right now - we stink from top to bottom.



FMD, The club has finally shown the guts to strip back the list and rebuild properly and the supporters are getting weak at the knees.
2 wins out of the next 3 or part ways? :grin:
The club has set a course which they openly told the supporters about. Did you complain about it when they initially decided to rebuild or were you in favour of it?

If you were in favour, at least extend them the courtesy of seeing it through. The hysteria over 3 losses is ridiculous.


Re-build does not justify what we saw on Friday night, or last week. We are mentally weak, not physically weak. It's clear to supporters that senior and quality young players that we know have the skill, are totally devoid of confidence.

Given we now have NM, WCE & the WB, I think 2 of 3 is realistic for a side playing at an ave games experience of 84 with a quality senior and under 22 squad.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:25 pm 
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We also had 16 CFC listed players get hammered by 21 goals as they 'develop' in the 2s.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:38 pm 
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My understanding is that we were told from the start it would be a 66 game rebuild.

If my calculations serve me correctly we have 19 to go.

Our list has changed dramatically and very much for the better.

We finally have some serious young talent on our list.

We will get some more young talented players from this year's draft.

This will give us the solid foundations we need.

It's like a house, if the foundations are shit it doesn't matter what you build on them.

I for one, want a chance of us having sustained success, not 5 minutes of glory.

As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Bolt's did say it was a journey, isn't that part of the fun.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:56 pm 
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Mots87 wrote:
My understanding is that we were told from the start it would be a 66 game rebuild.

If my calculations serve me correctly we have 19 to go.

Our list has changed dramatically and very much for the better.

We finally have some serious young talent on our list.

We will get some more young talented players from this year's draft.

This will give us the solid foundations we need.

It's like a house, if the foundations are shit it doesn't matter what you build on them.

I for one, want a chance of us having sustained success, not 5 minutes of glory.

As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Bolt's did say it was a journey, isn't that part of the fun.


Spot on Mots.

I’m disappointed as most of us are that we are not looking great after 3 games. But take Gibbs and Doc out of our team and we are going to have a tougher time. Personally I think Doc makes us a 20 point better team (defensively) with his ability to defend as well as organise the defensive unit.

Basically I think we need to ride out this period - get games into kids...get through the next 20-30 games and then start having increased expectations.

66 game reset was what we were told. Cool your jets people. We don’t want to change the course now.

Be realistic.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:51 pm 
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We also had 16 CFC listed players get hammered by 21 goals as they 'develop' in the 2s.
How many of those 16 are mids? All talls and defenders. List imbalance is a key issue in the seconds I think. Too tall, too slow.... no emerging mids.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:25 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The Duke wrote:
IMO, Bolts should be given 3 weeks to produce 2 wins. If not, part ways.

This is a business where winning is success, and prolonged failure is not tolerated. Our financials & signing talent depends on wins on the board and memberships in the bank. Only 1 of 3 means we're probably headed for another spoon. That can't be tolerated anymore.

We'll lose players like Cripps, Charlie and Fisher, but we also won't be able to bring in players like Buddy, Dangerfield, Mitchell etc.

Right now - we stink from top to bottom.



FMD, The club has finally shown the guts to strip back the list and rebuild properly and the supporters are getting weak at the knees.
2 wins out of the next 3 or part ways? :grin:
The club has set a course which they openly told the supporters about. Did you complain about it when they initially decided to rebuild or were you in favour of it?

If you were in favour, at least extend them the courtesy of seeing it through. The hysteria over 3 losses is ridiculous.
Agree BV,
Sorry Duke, that's a crazy statement. I know we're all hurting, but we're playing with the kind of 'young' team we went to Port Adelaide with last year... with similar results.
My concern is more about how quickly we realise how we are being played against, and how quickly we change.
Both Tiges and Pies we were very slow to react.
(still haven't seen the GC game, and hard to judge on TV anyway).
The out muscling in tackling is something we will cop on the chin... Question is, our boys have to identify when it's likely to happen and be ready to defend. Looking for a man when the opposition is streaming in under no pressure won't work.

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