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As a proud couch potato, I must say I find this whole thing most offensive

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As a proud couch potato, I must say I find this whole thing most offensive

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As a proud couch potato, I must say I find this whole thing most offensive

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GMCbris wrote:
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As a proud couch potato, I must say I find this whole thing most offensive

What's your pronouns?
Chip and Salad?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Something we should've done last season.
Let's hope Wright does it this year or comes out and tells us we're in a mini rebuild and we are looking to finals in 2027.

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CLUBS which want to win finals next season need to be making aggressive off-field moves now.

The teams which won finals in week one of the 2025 finals series did just that 12 months ago.

Successful clubs don't settle and are never comfortable. They add, they cut, they tinker, they ask questions, they take risks, they challenge internally and they make hard decisions. They seek to fix problems. The very best apply a mindset once espoused by former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue: "If it ain't broke, fix it anyway."


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Take Hawthorn. It exceeded outside expectations last year and missed reaching a preliminary final by just three points. It then traded for Eagles premiership player Tom Barrass and Saint free agent Josh Battle. Without that duo last Saturday, the Hawks probably don't win their elimination final against GWS.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1416186/barrett-saints-brave-spending-spree-wont-come-without-a-cost


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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I may be completely naive (ducks for cover) but I feel like we pretty much have the big guns in place.*
What we really need are quick, skillful role players or link players, lifting the quality and balance of the list. As distinct from a bombshell trade period star. Think Collingwood pre-2023…

* If Charlie leaves, we would want a star player in return as part of the deal (either an elite Gulden-type, or a top notch or potential elite but with additional top 10 pick or two… given he could be the final premiership piece for a good team, like Jeremy Cameron was).


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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I think we are still missing an A grade half back, mid and small forward, all with speed and skill.
Another wing to replace Acres would be great also.
But between Chesser, Lord and even Cottrell we could already have that covered.
A couple of those would be great and that kind of aggressive off-field moves are what they are suggesting.


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I think we are still missing an A grade half back, mid and small forward, all with speed and skill.
Another wing to replace Acres would be great also.
But between Chesser, Lord and even Cottrell we could already have that covered.
A couple of those would be great and that kind of aggressive off-field moves are what they are suggesting.


Plus Jagga Smith

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bluebo baggers wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I think we are still missing an A grade half back, mid and small forward, all with speed and skill.
Another wing to replace Acres would be great also.
But between Chesser, Lord and even Cottrell we could already have that covered.
A couple of those would be great and that kind of aggressive off-field moves are what they are suggesting.


Plus Jagga Smith

Sorry, I meant the wing covered.
I hope they put him straight on ball and not on the wing though.
Either way it is pretty exciting for him to come into the mix.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sidefx wrote:
I think we are still missing an A grade half back, mid and small forward, all with speed and skill.
Another wing to replace Acres would be great also.
But between Chesser, Lord and even Cottrell we could already have that covered.
A couple of those would be great and that kind of aggressive off-field moves are what they are suggesting.


I feel like Cottrell adds a lot to our setup and we miss him when he’s not out there.
I would be interested to see what our win:loss ratio is with vs without Cottrell in the past 3 years?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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I’m back after long sabbatical not as long as Electric Blue :wink:
Hope everyone is well
Disappointing season but Im bullish about what we can acquire in off season and how we can reset and go again next year
Obviously looking for both organic and non organic growth of playing list to propel up the ladder in 2026

Whilst not big games good that a couple of players want to come Reidy announced today that he wants to come as well as Chesser the other day and maybe Buku and a few others to be added

For example Club has been interested in Sholl for awhile and I wonder whether we are still interested

Dean and Ison from all reports will help in the longer term

My preference would not to trade Charlie except for an exceptional deal and don’t think that will happen but if someone makes a stupidly good offer I’m looking at you GC which involved Jed Walter plus other assets picks or players to fill the holes in our list then would contemplate it
Keen to retain Motlop but happy to offload McGovern

Really disappointed in Elijah skills are what we need but understand why Club has taken the position it has

Very happy we signed Kempy for another 2 years really like him as a forward his game against the Dogs was excellent

Glad to be back and I have been viewing from afar
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2025 6:17 pm 
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Started with 46 players - 8 rookies, 2 category B
Less Docherty, TDK, JSOS, Fantasia, Cincotta, Lemmey. Now at 40 - 7 rookies, 2 category B.
Out of contract: Motlop, McGovern, Charleson, White, F.Young (minimum one of those three will need to go, or an existing rookie promoted), Monahan, Duffy
Hollands told to look elsewhere. Status of Acres, Curnow, Boyd unknown.
Dean, Isun, Chesser, Petrucelle, Reidy, Khamis likely in.

Assuming bids for Annabelle/Uhland/Dean come in by pick 10. We'd end up with 22 (Silvagni compo), 33 and 55.

If Curnow is staying, and list spots are tight, I'd look to get involved with any deal West Coast and Brisbane are doing for Lachie Neale to get pick 2 and Chesser as part of it, but I suppose it depends on when Brisbane think the bid on Annabelle comes in.

At a minimum - one of Monahan, Flynn Young and White go, along with another senior listed player (Lij?). Looking at the current draft hand, I'd assume one more senior player too - Motlop or McGovern. Losing both based on the ins and outs seems to be cutting too deep again.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2025 6:17 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Something we should've done last season.
Let's hope Wright does it this year or comes out and tells us we're in a mini rebuild and we are looking to finals in 2027.

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CLUBS which want to win finals next season need to be making aggressive off-field moves now.

The teams which won finals in week one of the 2025 finals series did just that 12 months ago.

Successful clubs don't settle and are never comfortable. They add, they cut, they tinker, they ask questions, they take risks, they challenge internally and they make hard decisions. They seek to fix problems. The very best apply a mindset once espoused by former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue: "If it ain't broke, fix it anyway."


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Take Hawthorn. It exceeded outside expectations last year and missed reaching a preliminary final by just three points. It then traded for Eagles premiership player Tom Barrass and Saint free agent Josh Battle. Without that duo last Saturday, the Hawks probably don't win their elimination final against GWS.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1416186/barrett-saints-brave-spending-spree-wont-come-without-a-cost


I have struggled to open pages in TC this last month. Thought it was to do with tyranny of distance, but something bad is going on with TC speed. Ive given up sooo many times....then it times out on me. I'm not really the patient type when it comes to waiting in lines and tables, as for websites. Ive obviously shown a lot of patience for Carlton, but Ive been to 13 GFs and 10 Flags.

I was going to post the same sidey.
It all depends what your list needs.

We've both agreed we need a speedy mid, hence can see us off loading Motlop and White because they are off contract, and can also see us delisting contracted smalls Fogarty, not skilled enough, and Binns to make spots for a DFA or two, and a couple low pick Trades.

What we have to consider is what we had missing last year, and I would start with with the following improving our team in 2026:

1. Walsh missed out on a preseason. Started the season slow then we lost him for 10 games. We know what we were missing in the midfield when he returned for last 2 games.
2. Newman missed whole season, will be the aggressive, strong kicker from the backline we badly missed, Frees up Saad.
3. Smith missed all season. Will be a great addition to midfield group with his speed; something we are desperate for.
4. Cottrell played 6 games and 3 wins. Hs so important to our team when fit. a running machine whose skills, speed and hard running will help us win games.
5. McKay missed 12 games, and for 5/10 he played he wasn't right, mentally or physically. KPF. Looked aggressive in last 3 games.
6. Curnow played 18 games, but other than 2 later games, wou could tell a lack of preseason and mind was elsewhere. Looked good at CHF.
7. Kemp showed he is a great swingman and worse case scenario would be better depth than other big guys Gov Young and Lemmey
8. O'Keefe missed a lot of games with hammy issues, but he's shown his ability and will fill a ruck / forward role
9. Boyd We all know what Boyd can do but he missed a preseason and half the season and couldnt get fit enough to play.

The above 9 will help

1. & 2. With HOF out for 2026, Haynes takes CHB and Dean / Khamis / Kemp to fill 3rd tall defender unless. I think we will rookie another KPD.
3. Would love to add some speed, and Cottrell does that, as does Smith, and hopefully Chesser develops quickly and Petrucelle is depth or can play a role
4. Reidy will step up. He was held back because he had AA ruckmen ahead of him Darcy and Jackson. He and O'Keefe can do some damage.
5. Gruzewski, if we can get him fills the hole left by Elijah. He's a better mark and good kick for goal too.

The above 5 will help

1. I'm expecting Charleson to be retained and take the next step. Would be a very good HB or BP,. He may pass Boyd.
2. I'm expecting Lord to cement his spot in the 22
3. I'm expecting Cowan to have his breakthrough year
4. I'm expecting Carroll to take the next step. He looked a class above in the preseason.
5. I'm expecting Moir to have a huge preseason and take another step up.

The improvement of the above 5 will help

After all the newbies above, and keeping Curnow, we should have Pick 9, pick 32, and a pick for Gov, a F2, F3, F4 and a rookie spot to Trade for

1. Another A grade mid will help out, as will Smith. PLEASE! TDK Compo plus F2 should do it.
2, A speedy small forward PLEASE! Flanders will do.

2a . A KPD to improve our depth from VFL, SAFL, WAFL, or Trade. At least till HOF returns in 2027.

Get to it Austin: easy task. You have the picks to do it without trading Charlie.

We aren't that bad off with the loss of 3 best 23 players TDK, SOS, Elija, (just need 2 A/ B grade players) and casting off of 5 depth players Docherty, Fantasia, Fogarty, Gov and Cincotta, and replacing kids, which we have too many like Motlop, White, Lemmey and possibly Binns (for Dean Ison and small forward 18yo NGA Gresham for 20yo Irish NGA lad Monohan). We have to improve the quality of our depth! and like every team making Finals, have some luck with injury.

Fingers crossed we get our targets and we bounce back big time in 2026.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Frank Carspew wrote:
I’m back after long sabbatical not as long as Electric Blue :wink:
Hope everyone is well
Disappointing season but Im bullish about what we can acquire in off season and how we can reset and go again next year
Obviously looking for both organic and non organic growth of playing list to propel up the ladder in 2026

Whilst not big games good that a couple of players want to come Reidy announced today that he wants to come as well as Chesser the other day and maybe Buku and a few others to be added

For example Club has been interested in Sholl for awhile and I wonder whether we are still interested

Dean and Ison from all reports will help in the longer term

My preference would not to trade Charlie except for an exceptional deal and don’t think that will happen but if someone makes a stupidly good offer I’m looking at you GC which involved Jed Walter plus other assets picks or players to fill the holes in our list then would contemplate it
Keen to retain Motlop but happy to offload McGovern

Really disappointed in Elijah skills are what we need but understand why Club has taken the position it has

Very happy we signed Kempy for another 2 years really like him as a forward his game against the Dogs was excellent

Glad to be back and I have been viewing from afar
Frank


Franky me old besty, is that really you? Has the ghost of Frank Dardew arisen?

If so, a hearty welcome back.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Frank Carspew wrote:
I’m back after long sabbatical not as long as Electric Blue :wink:
Hope everyone is well
Disappointing season but Im bullish about what we can acquire in off season and how we can reset and go again next year
Obviously looking for both organic and non organic growth of playing list to propel up the ladder in 2026

Whilst not big games good that a couple of players want to come Reidy announced today that he wants to come as well as Chesser the other day and maybe Buku and a few others to be added

For example Club has been interested in Sholl for awhile and I wonder whether we are still interested

Dean and Ison from all reports will help in the longer term

My preference would not to trade Charlie except for an exceptional deal and don’t think that will happen but if someone makes a stupidly good offer I’m looking at you GC which involved Jed Walter plus other assets picks or players to fill the holes in our list then would contemplate it
Keen to retain Motlop but happy to offload McGovern

Really disappointed in Elijah skills are what we need but understand why Club has taken the position it has

Very happy we signed Kempy for another 2 years really like him as a forward his game against the Dogs was excellent

Glad to be back and I have been viewing from afar
Frank


Great to have you back Frank!!

Look forward to your training reports again.....I know you've retired from that. Just your wise words and personal views will be plenty.

Sholl is keen, and we were, but I think there's a lot of other targets, and we may need a couple hugh picks to win a couple, of very very good players.

Motlop has been low balled, as has Gov to encourage them to look for a 3rd rounder each (less than pick 54) which give us points (if needed for Dean), and a spot to fill with hopefully someone better.

We need Kempy.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Started with 46 players - 8 rookies, 2 category B
Less Docherty, TDK, JSOS, Fantasia, Cincotta, Lemmey. Now at 40 - 7 rookies, 2 category B.
Out of contract: Motlop, McGovern, Charleson, White, F.Young (minimum one of those three will need to go, or an existing rookie promoted), Monahan, Duffy
Hollands told to look elsewhere. Status of Acres, Curnow, Boyd unknown.
Dean, Isun, Chesser, Petrucelle, Reidy, Khamis likely in.

Assuming bids for Annabelle/Uhland/Dean come in by pick 10. We'd end up with 22 (Silvagni compo), 33 and 55.

If Curnow is staying, and list spots are tight, I'd look to get involved with any deal West Coast and Brisbane are doing for Lachie Neale to get pick 2 and Chesser as part of it, but I suppose it depends on when Brisbane think the bid on Annabelle comes in.

At a minimum - one of Monahan, Flynn Young and White go, along with another senior listed player (Lij?). Looking at the current draft hand, I'd assume one more senior player too - Motlop or McGovern. Losing both based on the ins and outs seems to be cutting too deep again.


Always appreciate your thoughts and strategic brain Galty. We did cut too deep over 2 years.

For best 23 players when fit, Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, we replaced with Haynes (WIN).

Kennedy and Owies gave us picks. We got Smith and O'Farrell with help of those picks. We were committed to Campo twins.

Injury exposed us both years when we didn't replace some of the depth players with better players, with the exception of Elijah ( :sly: ):

2023 Plowman, Dow, LOB, Fisher, and Ed
2024 Carroll & S.Durdin

We got lucky with Ollie, O'Keefe, Lord, Carroll, Cowan and possibly Moir but they are developing, and not depth (Ollie the exception)

Jury still out with kids Campo twins, Wilson, Charleson, Motlop,and Binns.

ime to even the ledger, and balance our list. GW says so.

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