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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:00 am 
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I think the players love Bolts - he's a great bloke, but his gameplan sucks balls and the players can't follow it. There's no structure, no set-up, no plan. When our opposition don't play the way that suits our 'plan' we crumble.

We also have some dumb footballers, but not that many. We're better than this.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:34 am 
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Last night posters were harking back to better times under Ratten

Things must be grim :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:48 am 
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Maybe we have too many coaches now.

Are players getting mixed messages?

There seems to be a lot of confusion out there.

Has Bolts delegated too much too soon?

Is he not delegating enough and he's mentally overloaded?



We definitely have some very good young talent but there also playing with some senior players who unfortunately don't cut it in this day and age.

I have been very critical of the selections in our last 2 games.

Doesn't mean I am right but I think they have put too much faith in certain senior players who haven't delivered.

Hopefully we can get the balance right sooner rather than later.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:55 am 
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no offence mate, that post is hard to grapple with. it's full of contradiction?

You believe in bolton, but not the club? The club hired bolton, so it's one or the other. yeah? Not necessarily. The club is made up of different individuals, Bolton is one. The club treats us like idiots, and I feel that Bolton is the only one who actually says what's on his mind.

You don't believe the players are 'on board'? You believe the players are soft? Not "soft" per se, but certainly not mentally tough. There are likely a few reasons for this, not the least is a mix of talented kids being led by introverted and lacklustre senior players. This has been a consistent and cultural issue ever since the Pagan days, and its no surprise to me that it continues to dog us.

but you still believe in bolton? Yes


Well its the coach's job to lead this group and instil hardness, motivate them to play through pain, and inspire them to deliver his gameplan and vision.

I look at bolton and i don't see a leader. he doesn't inspire me. he's a 5'3" little man who doesn't speak from the heart, but in cliche. he tells people what they want to hear. and as an AFL level coach he is in over his head. I would struggle to play under bolton, he's not imposing physically or mentally. he doesn't command a room. Fair enough, but from what I've seen and heard I don't believe this is the case.


Some other parts of your post I agree with to varying degrees. But I stand by my thoughts on Bolton.



i hope to god you're right and bolton is the man to lead us out of this and forward. i love your optimism, i hope it rubs off onto me. haha



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not the least is a mix of talented kids being led by introverted and lacklustre senior players. This has been a consistent and cultural issue


this is interesting. i wonder how many kids we've drafted & traded for are naturally like this, and how many are not, and it's the toxic carlton culture which makes them crawl into their shells.


a full clean out at board level is the only way to develop a true, new culture. imo.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:38 am 
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Braithy wrote:
i hope to god you're right and bolton is the man to lead us out of this and forward. i love your optimism, i hope it rubs off onto me. haha
Not much choice.

Braithy wrote:
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not the least is a mix of talented kids being led by introverted and lacklustre senior players. This has been a consistent and cultural issue


this is interesting. i wonder how many kids we've drafted & traded for are naturally like this, and how many are not, and it's the toxic carlton culture which makes them crawl into their shells.

Look at our captains post the Sticks/Braddles/SOS era

- Kouta: Great player, but a great leader? Also injury-prone by the end.
- Whitnall: Well...
- Judd: Again, great player. But beyond the example he set on-field, his ability to "lead" was always questionable.
- Murphy: It's all been said.

The common theme is that none of them strike me as motivators. Behind the scenes this may have been different, but supporter apathy comes from (perceived or otherwise) player apathy.

Where's the Hodge type? The Maxwell type? The Harley type? The Riewoldt or Taylor Walker type? All guys who vary in their skill-level but have the common theme of clearly giving a shit, and being able to turn to their players and say "this isn't @#$%&! good enough", even if they occasionally have to be a cauliflower.

This is what young players coming to Carlton have had to contend with for years, and I pray to God that when Doch returns he can break this trend once and for all (Cripps I'm still unconvinced). Because as much as coaching may have killed us (and it has), it's the lack of genuine on-field leadership that's been the biggest issue for 15 years+.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:48 am 
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Yeah nah I reckon it’ll click in an upcoming game and we’ll be off and running. Just not clicking at all at the mini, and resultant look is a shemozzle.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:43 pm 
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I'm as disappointed as anyone but we must continue with Bolton

Very young team

Having said that he needs to take the flak about the last 2 games and dreadful skill level of team and players lack of effecting game plan and being soundly beaten in coaches box 2 weeks in a row

Must also take flak for getting team up for first week with creditable performance and then not getting them up to be at least competitive against 2 of the competitions average sides and take responsibility that both games were effectively over by early in second quarter

Team does need to start winning games to give supporters hope yes Dow and Curnow are exciting but given we haven't won in the first 3 rounds in the last 6 years means supporters should be impatient and particularly when arguably team is performing worse than this time last year


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:02 pm 
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The fumbling and skill errors are occurring because the players are confused and don't know what they are supposed to be doing. They are 2nd guessing themselves which is leading to costly turnovers and fumbles.
This Zone defense they are trying to implement works well on a basketball court or even a soccer field where you have offside. On a large open AFL field with no offside rule you can't gaurd space. If the player up field has a millisecond of time he will pin point a pass to someone standing by themselves.
It is just one of a number of dumb decisions Bolton has made.
I always look at footy as it is a business. In business if you make an investment it needs a 3 year payback minimum otherwise it is a bad investment.
We should be breaking even this year but in business terms we are heading for another loss.
If Bolton was Manager I would have him on a performance management scheme by now.
You can not keep using youth as an excuse.
Time to be moving forward is now.
MLG should be demanding results as saying that the club is taking the long term rebuild approach only works for a while because come the 3rd year people want to see results

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:08 pm 
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Bolton is not a head coach.

He is a development coach.

We need a head coach.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:22 pm 
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He's tried something and it's failed, we should move on. This guarding space or zoning or whatever they call it doesn't work. They probably worked on it all summer but please put it to rest and just play accountable footy.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:28 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
Bolton is not a head coach.

He is a development coach.

We need a head coach.


This is EXACTLY what I was thinking this morning....as I was driving. He's an assistant/advisor. Maybe swap him for Barks for the rest of the year.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:30 pm 
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He's tried something and it's failed, we should move on. This guarding space or zoning or whatever they call it doesn't work. They probably worked on it all summer but please put it to rest and just play accountable footy.


We made those witches hats look like witches hats all summer long. Why won't our opposition just stand there?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:49 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
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He's tried something and it's failed, we should move on. This guarding space or zoning or whatever they call it doesn't work. They probably worked on it all summer but please put it to rest and just play accountable footy.


We made those witches hats look like witches hats all summer long. Why won't our opposition just stand there?


:lol: the suns were even the right colour and still nothing


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And today a 201 to 71 thumping by Pie Team Number 2 ......

WTF is happening ????

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:26 pm 
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nice slag off of our play and leadership here by Ed - http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018- ... -ed-curnow

well spoken too, another coach in the making

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:38 pm 
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-calls-for-a-tighter-interpretation-of-the-holding-the-ball-rule/news-story/3c6c68a7c68a27331fb8ec683d3bac28#ampshare=https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-calls-for-a-tighter-interpretation-of-the-holding-the-ball-rule/news-story/3c6c68a7c68a27331fb8ec683d3bac28

Interesting call....
I see this as a huge tactic against us... Grab the ball and break tackles when the ball is in dispute... Generally there is no penalty for doing it.
(how many holding the ball decisions did we get for us last night...?)

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:33 pm 
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nice slag off of our play and leadership here by Ed - http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018- ... -ed-curnow

well spoken too, another coach in the making


Yep. Great perspective from Ed.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:33 pm 
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Sam Walsh is the one I want regardless where we finish.


I’d get that SA forward, then do whatever trade to bring in a gun midfielder.

We need senior mids to help the kids.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:35 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Questions also need to be asked of SOS’s list rebuild.

Currently on our list we have 20 players who are 190cm and above. Almost half out of list is made up of tall players.

God forbid the messiah selects another player 190cm + players in the coming drafts.


No issue with the list rebuild, but we need senior bodies that are great to fix the glaring hole.


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