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 Post subject: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2025 11:31 am 
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Slightly reduced the team's talent ceiling but lifted the floor considerably IMO.

A little sad to not pick up Khamis after he nominated Carlton, but that's on the Bulldogs.

Will miss Curnow's crazy moments of sheer talent, but won't miss the failed hero ball moments that are just as, if not more frequent in his game.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2025 11:34 am 
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What about that big penguin, Mason Cox up at FF so Harry can play CHF?
Good tall target, can bring the ball to the ground.
Also can snag a couple and can ruck if needed.
Any takers?


I'd rather dip my balls in sulphuric acid.

Speaking of transformative…

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Wojee wrote:
Slightly reduced the team's talent ceiling but lifted the floor considerably IMO.

A little sad to not pick up Khamis after he nominated Carlton, but that's on the Bulldogs.

Will miss Curnow's crazy moments of sheer talent, but won't miss the failed hero ball moments that are just as, if not more frequent in his game.

Best analogy so far, spot on.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2025 12:25 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Slightly reduced the team's talent ceiling but lifted the floor considerably IMO.

A little sad to not pick up Khamis after he nominated Carlton, but that's on the Bulldogs.

Will miss Curnow's crazy moments of sheer talent, but won't miss the failed hero ball moments that are just as, if not more frequent in his game.

Best analogy so far, spot on.
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I don't disagree, but would also say we've added components to make us a better team but lost some individual talent.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2025 12:30 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Slightly reduced the team's talent ceiling but lifted the floor considerably IMO.

A little sad to not pick up Khamis after he nominated Carlton, but that's on the Bulldogs.

Will miss Curnow's crazy moments of sheer talent, but won't miss the failed hero ball moments that are just as, if not more frequent in his game.

Best analogy so far, spot on.
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I don't disagree, but would also say we've added components to make us a better team but lost some individual talent.

We have lost some individual talent.
But we have also lost the reliance of those individuals for us to win games, now it will require a collective effort.
We have options, we will be less predictable and less vulnerable to injuries or players out of form.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2025 1:32 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Slightly reduced the team's talent ceiling but lifted the floor considerably IMO.

A little sad to not pick up Khamis after he nominated Carlton, but that's on the Bulldogs.

Will miss Curnow's crazy moments of sheer talent, but won't miss the failed hero ball moments that are just as, if not more frequent in his game.

Best analogy so far, spot on.
:clap:



I don't disagree, but would also say we've added components to make us a better team but lost some individual talent.

We have lost some individual talent.
But we have also lost the reliance of those individuals for us to win games, now it will require a collective effort.
We have options, we will be less predictable and less vulnerable to injuries or players out of form.

Unity and desire outweighs any loss


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2025 2:48 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 am 
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Can someone explain how draft day works for us with the Harry Dean pick and whether we trade to get ahead of it?
Presumably, we would have to trade 2 first rounders eg. Picks 9 & 11 or one of those and one future first rounder to entice a team to give us picks 5 or 6, right? And the future fisrt rounder is likely to be an ordinary pick #15-#25 depending on how well we or Sydney go next year?
And, if so, don’t we still need a pick to use on Harry Dean if he is called at, say, pick 8?
Aren't we just better off using one of our existing picks on Harry and the other to pick another good young player?

How did it work for Essendon* and Kako last year?
And are the father-son/ Academy rules a bit different already this year?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:45 am 
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I'm sure there are others who know better, but this is my understanding.
If we use pick #9 on an early bid and that is enough points we will still have pick #11, however if we require more points we use pick #11 also and get a pick back in change of equal value of the balance.
Where the issue is, is if Dean is not bid on until after pick #11, we have to trade back so we don't use the full value of pick #11 on him or we just cut our losses.
Either way we are in a good position and hopefully it is a late bid on him, but I doubt Richmond or * will be giving us a leg up.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 10:01 am 
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Cant get beyond paywall but apparently there is an article on how Blues get dean in Melbourne HS today


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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If all goes well I hope the following happens:
Pick #9 - Sam Grlj
Pick #11 - Harry Dean
Picks #43, #54 & #67 - Jack Ison


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 10:19 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Can someone explain how draft day works for us with the Harry Dean pick and whether we trade to get ahead of it?
Presumably, we would have to trade 2 first rounders eg. Picks 9 & 11 or one of those and one future first rounder to entice a team to give us picks 5 or 6, right? And the future fisrt rounder is likely to be an ordinary pick #15-#25 depending on how well we or Sydney go next year?
And, if so, don’t we still need a pick to use on Harry Dean if he is called at, say, pick 8?
Aren't we just better off using one of our existing picks on Harry and the other to pick another good young player?

How did it work for Essendon** and Kako last year?
And are the father-son/ Academy rules a bit different already this year?

It’s all been covered in this thread & 3-4 different threads in Recruitment.

Early picks will slide, late picks will come in - then slide. Five clubs (including Carlton) control the first 11 picks. The Scum have way more points than they need. The northern clubs are well short. West Coast and Richmond will be keen to trade… so much water still to go under the bridge.

Not worth worrying about, imo. We’ll get both of our lads easy & crying over unrealised points because we didn’t game the system is a pretty sad way to spend one’s time.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 10:30 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
I'm sure there are others who know better, but this is my understanding.
If we use pick #9 on an early bid and that is enough points we will still have pick #11, however if we require more points we use pick #11 also and get a pick back in change of equal value of the balance.
Where the issue is, is if Dean is not bid on until after pick #11, we have to trade back so we don't use the full value of pick #11 on him or we just cut our losses.
Either way we are in a good position and hopefully it is a late bid on him, but I doubt Richmond or * will be giving us a leg up.

Firstly picks #9 and #11 will be effectively picks #12 and #14 after academy selections.
If for example pick #7 is bid on Dean then we will need to use our pick #12 to match the bid and pick #15 will be pushed back several spots to account for the points deficit.
Same principle applies for Ison and I hope we don't go into points deficit for next year.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 10:38 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
If all goes well I hope the following happens:
Pick #9 - Sam Grlj
Pick #11 - Harry Dean
Picks #43, #54 & #67 - Jack Ison

In a perfect world…

Sam Cumming
Harry Dean
Cameron Nairn
Jack Ison

In a less perfect world…

Harry Dean
Jack Ison
Two of Nairn, Rodriguez, Oudishoorn-Bennier, Driscoll, Holmes, Barker, Coulson, Addinsall, Prindable… or a tall, or a small…

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 10:45 am 
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So the best scenario it seems is if we get to the second Essendon* pick currently #6 and someone we like is still available, we could live trade 9 & 11 for 6, 27, 30.
So we take the player at 6 and 27 + 30 is enough points for the earliest possible bid which is then at 7.
This takes into account that some picks in the teens and 20s are used for matching so 27 & 30 actually come in slightly.
Essendon* could be ok with this having used 5 to then upgrade two second round picks.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 10:55 am 
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jezzarules wrote:
So the best scenario it seems is if we get to the second Essendon** pick currently #6 and someone we like is still available, we could live trade 9 & 11 for 6, 27, 30.
So we take the player at 6 and 27 + 30 is enough points for the earliest possible bid which is then at 7.
This takes into account that some picks in the teens and 20s are used for matching so 27 & 30 actually come in slightly.
Essendon** could be ok with this having used 5 to then upgrade two second round picks.

Picks #27 and #30 wouldn't get enough points for Dean in 2025.
Last year it probably would have been OK but not anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 10:56 am 
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Humpers wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I'm sure there are others who know better, but this is my understanding.
If we use pick #9 on an early bid and that is enough points we will still have pick #11, however if we require more points we use pick #11 also and get a pick back in change of equal value of the balance.
Where the issue is, is if Dean is not bid on until after pick #11, we have to trade back so we don't use the full value of pick #11 on him or we just cut our losses.
Either way we are in a good position and hopefully it is a late bid on him, but I doubt Richmond or * will be giving us a leg up.

Firstly picks #9 and #11 will be effectively picks #12 and #15 after academy selections.
If for example pick #7 is bid on Dean then we will need to use our pick #12 to match the bid and pick #15 will be pushed back a few spots to account for the points deficit.
Same principle applies for Ison and I hope we don't go into points deficit for next year.

I think you mean pick #14 not #15.
But yes that is correct as far as I'm aware, I was just using our picks as they stand for the example.
Either way, as it stands, picks #9 & #11 = pick #2 in value and if they move back 3 places, picks #12 & #14 = #3, so it actually works in our favour when the picks slide back.
And remember there is also a 10% discount on any bids on top of that.

Cal Twomey's phantom draft as of 23 September looked like this:
1. Duursma
2. Uwland - GCS
3. Duff-Tytler
4. Patterson - GCS
5. Annable - Lions
6. Robey
7. Taylor
8. Dean
9. Sharp
10. Schubert
11. Lindsay
12. Farrow
13. Grlj
14. Marsh
15. Cumming


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Humpers wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
So the best scenario it seems is if we get to the second Essendon*** pick currently #6 and someone we like is still available, we could live trade 9 & 11 for 6, 27, 30.
So we take the player at 6 and 27 + 30 is enough points for the earliest possible bid which is then at 7.
This takes into account that some picks in the teens and 20s are used for matching so 27 & 30 actually come in slightly.
Essendon*** could be ok with this having used 5 to then upgrade two second round picks.

Picks #27 and #30 wouldn't get enough points for Dean in 2025.
Last year it probably would have been OK but not anymore.

It is based on 27 & 30 becoming 25 & 26 and 6 being 9 so the earliest bid can be at 10.

#10 = 1276 * .9 = 1148
25 + 26 = 1151

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
If all goes well I hope the following happens:
Pick #9 - Sam Grlj
Pick #11 - Harry Dean
Picks #43, #54 & #67 - Jack Ison

In a perfect world…

Sam Cumming
Harry Dean
Cameron Nairn
Jack Ison

In a less perfect world…

Harry Dean
Jack Ison
Two of Nairn, Rodriguez, Oudishoorn-Bennier, Driscoll, Holmes, Barker, Coulson, Addinsall, Prindable… or a tall, or a small…

What do you like about Cumming?

For me Grlj ran a 5:59 (4 sec slower than Hollands) 2km and also ran 2.926 20m sprint.
He'd be a gun HB, is from Vic and barracks for us.
He models his game on Butters and N Daicos.
I doubt he will slip back that far though, they are saying Richmond will most likely pick him up.
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/sam-grlj/


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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jezzarules wrote:
So the best scenario it seems is if we get to the second Essendon** pick currently #6 and someone we like is still available, we could live trade 9 & 11 for 6, 27, 30.
So we take the player at 6 and 27 + 30 is enough points for the earliest possible bid which is then at 7.
This takes into account that some picks in the teens and 20s are used for matching so 27 & 30 actually come in slightly.
Essendon** could be ok with this having used 5 to then upgrade two second round picks.

I wouldn’t rule out the Scum taking a run at the first or second pick.

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