Independent Selection Committee for 2016 coach (see pg8)

MIL · **Joined:** Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:43 pm **Posts:** 4745

Blue Vain wrote:

Goltzenberg wrote:

It is a 2 horse race with barker and dew.

Horse shit. There's other quality candidates out there.
Let the process run it's course. As for the board, it's pretty obvious most of them wouldn't have a clue yet you want them to make the decision after they've made failed decisions in the past?

FMD.

+1 and I'll add another FMD :thumbsup:

Blue Beatle · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:49 pm

Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

..will we have the new coach before trade week..?.. (let alone draft)

I hope so - makes sense as we don't have time to waste on the new coach not having a say in trade/draft................if I remember mick didn't participate in draft or trades in 2012 because he did the book tour with Christi? I stand corrected if not the case...........and apologise in advance

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:01 pm

buzzaaaah wrote:

Whether Barker can snag a few wins or not is irrelevant.

I think any candidate needs to outline their vision, football philosophies, where they see the club heading year by year etc etc

You could get any coach to snag a few wins between now and the end of the year. Gieschen was a supercoach as an interim coach

Any coach? we were paying a coach 1m a year and he couldn't get us a win in Australia. Bit of a naive comment.

If Barker can get a couple wins and has the right vision, football philosophies etc, then he is in the box seat. As he will be trialed for the 2nd half of the year. Without Judd, Daisy and a depleted list thanks to Mick. It would be hard not to give him the job if he has the right vision and got the boys playing for him. A couple wins in a tough draw coming up as well. Otherwise, you take an untried assistant coach like a mark neeld perhaps, who might sell the best vision and philosophies like people do in job interviews.

Whoever we get, we will sack in 4-5 years. We just need a young coach to get us through the rebuild, then do an extensive coaching interview process. When we are over the rebuild period, that is when we need this process implemented the most.

jimmae · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:08 pm

Princes Park Whistler wrote:

GWS wrote:

Princes Park Whistler wrote:

jimmae wrote:

At the end of the day, the board make the appointment. This panel provides insight and a recommendation.

Which begs the question why Trigg is on the panel. Shouldn't the recommendations be made to the CEO and Board? As soon as he opens his mouth, Trigg will have too much influence.

Maybe but this way he'll also be responsible for the consequences.

If the appointment fails it'd be too easy to say "we followed due process so it's not my fault" if he wasn't involved.

I'm happy for him to be there and if it were me in that position I'd want to be there too.

I can't help feeling that with him on the panel it is not independent.

He is one voice in the room in case he has any additional questions.

They are there to do a more robust search on behalf of the CEO, the footy department and the board. The whole point of the independence is to bring a more diverse view that is free of the ego and emotion that comes with your long-term paycheck being on the line.

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

http://www.news.com.au/national/ange-po ... 7406208626

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As a panellist on ABC’s Offsiders he has railed against the premature sacking of coaches by boards lacking conviction and patience while also calling out paralysis in decision making.
At the height of the Carlton/Malthouse debate he observed the wasting of a year ultimately cost a club three in stalled development. It was a crystallising insight.
Postecoglou has shared coaching views on subjects ranging from responsibility in doping scandals to guiding a group of young men through intense grief.
The AFL used his expertise in the selection of candidates for its coaching finishing school, the Level Four Accreditation.
Carlton has followed suit.
For how much rides on the decision, coaching appointments remain an inexact science.
Best-intentioned subcommittees, expert advisers and club legends have delivered both the new wave of industry leaders and those who didn’t last the length of the initial contract.
In one recent process, the psychological profiling of candidates was benchmarked against 150 elite coaches in the AIS system. One produced a standout reading. It proved a decisive factor in his appointment.
Carlton has declared itself finished with godfathers, saviours and favourite sons. There are none left or available to them regardless.
It could be there are precious few coaches with the masterful package or perhaps they are devilishly difficult to identify.
Either way, if it takes one to know one the appointment of Ange Postecoglou to its selection panel might be the best decision Carlton has made in years.

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:47 am

emtwenty wrote:

http://www.news.com.au/national/ange-postecoglou-perfect-fit-for-carltons-coaching-selection-committee-gerard-whateley-says/story-e6frfkp9-1227406208626

Quote:

As a panellist on ABC’s Offsiders he has railed against the premature sacking of coaches by boards lacking conviction and patience while also calling out paralysis in decision making.
At the height of the Carlton/Malthouse debate he observed the wasting of a year ultimately cost a club three in stalled development. It was a crystallising insight.
Postecoglou has shared coaching views on subjects ranging from responsibility in doping scandals to guiding a group of young men through intense grief.
The AFL used his expertise in the selection of candidates for its coaching finishing school, the Level Four Accreditation.
Carlton has followed suit.
For how much rides on the decision, coaching appointments remain an inexact science.
Best-intentioned subcommittees, expert advisers and club legends have delivered both the new wave of industry leaders and those who didn’t last the length of the initial contract.
In one recent process, the psychological profiling of candidates was benchmarked against 150 elite coaches in the AIS system. One produced a standout reading. It proved a decisive factor in his appointment.
Carlton has declared itself finished with godfathers, saviours and favourite sons. There are none left or available to them regardless.
It could be there are precious few coaches with the masterful package or perhaps they are devilishly difficult to identify.
Either way, if it takes one to know one the appointment of Ange Postecoglou to its selection panel might be the best decision Carlton has made in years.

Hmmm......Kevin Bartlett vs Gerard Whateley.

One a sensationalist trying to pump up the 'phone in brigade' and the other a well respected journalist and sporting commentator who takes a considered approach in everything he does and says.

KB KO'd in the 1st Rd.

Regards Cazzesman

Rabbit · **Joined:** Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:45 am **Posts:** 422

Any word if Caracella is one of the candidates? Haven't heard his name mentioned lately.

Donstuie · **Posted:** Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:32 pm

We're always criticised for making snap decisions and not following proper process.

Now that (like every other team) we're following a proper recruitment process for the first time 'da meedya' are calling it excessive and think we should give Barker a blank cheque.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Donstuie wrote:

We're always criticised for making snap decisions and not following proper process.

Now that (like every other team) we're following a proper recruitment process for the first time 'da meedya' are calling it excessive and think we should give Barker a blank cheque.

trolling for a reaction is the AFL media's modus operandi

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

Rexy wrote:

.....trolling for a reaction is the AFL media's modus operandi

I don't know about that. I think it's just the way they operate.

camel · **Posted:** Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:00 pm

Donstuie wrote:

We're always criticised for making snap decisions and not following proper process.

Now that (like every other team) we're following a proper recruitment process for the first time 'da meedya' are calling it excessive and think we should give Barker a blank cheque.

Yep, was talking about the criticism of the board for appointing the selection panel with a Hawks supporter yesterday. She nailed it by saying our board is so crap that they couldn't get the new coach right by themsleves anyway. So it's pleasing to know it's not just diehards like us who are aware of the board's inadequacies.

AFAIK it's only KB that's having a crack at our panel, which is probably is little more than trolling. For all we know there's probably just as much chance of getting the next coach right by headhunting someone Calrton messiah style as there is by going through a "process", but in some ways that's not really the point.

The point is that the club is taking another step into the 21st century. Which wouldn't be quite so important if the step wasn't being made from the 19th century, haha.

jake_h03 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:43 pm

Why isn't CRIPPS on the selection committee?

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

jake_h03 wrote:

Why isn't CRIPPS on the selection committee?

Can't been seen to employ himself as Coach and Captain.

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:07 pm

If the boys can keep playing like yesterday, then l see no reason in changing coach. All season, people on this site have criticised how bad our list is. I never bought in to that bs like many on here have following the wisdom of mick. I am glad barker has got the players to play to their potential and got them playing with spirit again. If the boys keep playing the way they did yesterday, then you might just want to use this panel for assistant coaches. Will take a very good powerpoint presentation to remove barker if yesterday's performances continue to occur. The process will take place, but it will be a very brave panel / board to remove barker if results continue. Imagine removing barker getting results and installing a untried snr coach that fails. The board wouldnt have the balls to do that. Dont even have the balls to do their own internal interview process

Barkers gig to lose.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3072

Barker being overestimated already. Anyone taking over from Madhouse would cause immediate improvement. Even Synbad could take over and there would be improvement. Madhouse took the club to the depths of despair. The only way I would appoint Barker is if we ended up with at least nine wins for the year.

The point is that his performance is inflated by the disaster that was the Madhouse era. Now the pressure is off.

He does not strike me as a very smart coach and I hope we don't stuff up again.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:21 pm

BigBlueWave wrote:

Barker being overestimated already. Anyone taking over from Madhouse would cause immediate improvement. Even Synbad could take over and there would be improvement. Madhouse took the club to the depths of despair. The only way I would appoint Barker is if we ended up with at least nine wins for the year.

The point is that his performance is inflated by the disaster that was the Madhouse era. Now the pressure is off.

He does not strike me as a very smart coach and I hope we don't stuff up again.

By who?.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3072

cimm1979 wrote:

BigBlueWave wrote:

Barker being overestimated already. Anyone taking over from Madhouse would cause immediate improvement. Even Synbad could take over and there would be improvement. Madhouse took the club to the depths of despair. The only way I would appoint Barker is if we ended up with at least nine wins for the year.

The point is that his performance is inflated by the disaster that was the Madhouse era. Now the pressure is off.

He does not strike me as a very smart coach and I hope we don't stuff up again.

By who?.

Commentators and people on this forum.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:06 pm

BigBlueWave wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

BigBlueWave wrote:

Barker being overestimated already. Anyone taking over from Madhouse would cause immediate improvement. Even Synbad could take over and there would be improvement. Madhouse took the club to the depths of despair. The only way I would appoint Barker is if we ended up with at least nine wins for the year.

The point is that his performance is inflated by the disaster that was the Madhouse era. Now the pressure is off.

He does not strike me as a very smart coach and I hope we don't stuff up again.

By who?.

Commentators and people on this forum.

Haven't seen to much overestimation, if any, on here.

Most are just happy things are looking up and note, quite correctly, that Barker isn't harming his chances.

Haven't read one (serious) post that says we should bypass the selection committee and appoint Barker.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3072

cimm1979 wrote:

BigBlueWave wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

BigBlueWave wrote:

Barker being overestimated already. Anyone taking over from Madhouse would cause immediate improvement. Even Synbad could take over and there would be improvement. Madhouse took the club to the depths of despair. The only way I would appoint Barker is if we ended up with at least nine wins for the year.

The point is that his performance is inflated by the disaster that was the Madhouse era. Now the pressure is off.

He does not strike me as a very smart coach and I hope we don't stuff up again.

By who?.

Commentators and people on this forum.

Haven't seen to much overestimation, if any, on here.

Most are just happy things are looking up and note, quite correctly, that Barker isn't harming his chances.

Haven't read one (serious) post that says we should bypass the selection committee and appoint Barker.

Well ... maybe I am just a bit more edgy to people's comments on Barker ... I just don't want to see another stuff up. Certainly in the media they are banging on about him.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:44 pm

This process is real but Barker is doing his chances no harm whatsoever and is impressing the right people around the place.

It's not just honeymoon period stuff we are seeing. Barker has started to implement all the right things to repair the Malthouse damage.

I am very confident we will see sustained improvement from the team for the rest of the year.

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