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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:16 pm 
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White as a run with midfielder! We really need to find one though. :lol: :yikes:


Well, Everett was tried a couple of times last year and did a job on Sloan really well so I would like to see White take on that role and that leaves Everett more versatile.

White has been working on it this year after a discussion with Mick. Love to see him set his mind to it. Worked a treat on Martin

Correct...knowing Whitey personally this is the role that MM has groomed him for over the summer...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:16 pm 
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Bondi, you make me laugh... No issue with Bells skills on Thursday night...... Gee whiz!!
You can be slow like, Mitchell, Watson or Selwood, but those boys have skill, Bell and Curnow don't., not the only ones..
We will finish outside the 8 which hurts very much, but time for players like Tutt, Boekhorst, Buckley, Whiley, Dick and Rainbow to be getting games just like Bell and Curnow were getting, no chance of us winning games/finals with ordinary footballers.. Bell and Curnow aren't the only average players..
I believe Cripps, Carrazzo and Whiley can play well together, but that's all from the slow boys..
Cripps as the give it to the runners, Carrazzo as the shut down and Whiley as the hard nut..
We have spoken about our poor draft choices, we need to move forward and see who is worth keeping and who is worth moving on.. It's a long year ahead..
With Jaksch out, Casboult needs to come in..
Wood and Warnock as our ruck choices whilst Kreuzer gets back, yep move on.....
Reckon we have 15 good players just need to find the next 5 or so to make us better,
Just my silly opinion



Of course I make you laugh...you must have seen my head for radio. :grin:

You're confused. I was referring to your comment about speed. That's all.
You're talking about skill and I agree if our slow players had the skill of Watson Selwood and Mitchell there wouldn't be any question marks.

I stick to my comment Bell isn't slow.

big question marks on Dicks kicking efficiency. I think he needs to improve on that before he cracks the 22. Tutt will play soon but he's a different role than Bell. Rainbow isn't resdy, same with Smith and BB didn't get a sniff in the ressies against a team devoid of listed players.

We are not flush with talent to be moving out tough running players like Bell Imo....one day perhaps when we don't have any injuries....Imo

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:21 pm 
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Taggers galore?. I'm calling bullshit on that.

Modern footballers need the ability to be defensive when required and attacking when required. Look at Cyril, an exception I know but defensive and attacking.

We don't have the squad for that at present. Hopefully Mick builds it.

Specialist taggers are still required and can be weapons

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:38 pm 
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Our so called taggers, are not ball getting players to play the role of a modern footballer. All they do is try and stop their opponent and can't turn plays into offensive ones. They are ordinary footballers that's why. Curnow, white and carazzo.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:12 pm 
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We have the balance too much in favour of taggers.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:15 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
White as a run with midfielder! We really need to find one though. :lol: :yikes:


Well, Everett was tried a couple of times last year and did a job on Sloan really well so I would like to see White take on that role and that leaves Everett more versatile.

White has been working on it this year after a discussion with Mick. Love to see him set his mind to it. Worked a treat on Martin

Correct...knowing Whitey personally this is the role that MM has groomed him for over the summer...


Ok gents. So now will play with 4 taggers every week then - Carrazzo, Curnow, White & Everitt. I can see how we are going to win games of footy. Actually that will be 3 in through the midfield and 1 defensive forward and 4 defenders. Or is that 2 defensive forwards when Ellard comes in as well...... :banghead:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:19 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
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White as a run with midfielder! We really need to find one though. :lol: :yikes:


Well, Everett was tried a couple of times last year and did a job on Sloan really well so I would like to see White take on that role and that leaves Everett more versatile.

White has been working on it this year after a discussion with Mick. Love to see him set his mind to it. Worked a treat on Martin

Correct...knowing Whitey personally this is the role that MM has groomed him for over the summer...


Ok gents. So now will play with 4 taggers every week then - Carrazzo, Curnow, White & Everitt. I can see how we are going to win games of footy. Actually that will be 3 in through the midfield and 1 defensive forward and 4 defenders. Or is that 2 defensive forwards when Ellard comes in as well...... :banghead:

It frees up Everett to be more versatile

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:39 pm 
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Me too. The big advantage of White as a run-with providing he now has the engine is that if his tallish midfield opponents like Martin Watson Pendlebury or Fyfe go to the goal square he can actually cover them, without us having to hastily reorganise our entire back six just to cope.

Martin isn't in the same league as those other names, who would destroy White as an opponent. We shouldn't be using him in midfield.

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I don't mind White.

One of the things we lack in that playing list is a sense of versatility. I think it goes a long way to explain our performance in close games. We don't have players who have the versatility to take a spell in the forward pocket and actually make an impact there, instead requiring them to rotate exclusively through the bench, because they have no impact when they go forward, or lack whats required down back, with a domino impact on those who legitimately require a spell on the bench.

White can play tall, small, run with, forward, back. I don't rate his kicking skills, and I'm not sure if he truly has football smarts. But he's agro, looks like he gives a shit, and does what is asked of him.

In hindsight, the biggest/most glaring issue of list management last year is giving Carrazzo another year.

All fair points, though I think in hindsight we should have kept Hampson and jettisoned Warnock, discarded Ellard at the end of last year, traded 19 for Mitch Clark, then signed Taylor Hunt, Shaun Higgins and James Frawley.

We never would have signed Liam Jones, Dick or Tutt, though we probably would have had to take 5-10% off everyone else's wages. Not sure they would have cared though.



No offence Jimmae but we can't turn back time.

You can save yours by not joining the should've, could've, would've brigade.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:49 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
It frees up Everett to be more versatile


Hey Baz, I don't want to get into a slugging match but did you notice where Everitt was playing against the tigers and on who and in what role? Just wondering. :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:52 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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It frees up Everett to be more versatile


Hey Baz, I don't want to get into a slugging match but did you notice where Everitt was playing against the tigers and on who and in what role? Just wondering. :wink:


What's your point?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:01 pm 
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mikeychook wrote:
jimmae wrote:
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Me too. The big advantage of White as a run-with providing he now has the engine is that if his tallish midfield opponents like Martin Watson Pendlebury or Fyfe go to the goal square he can actually cover them, without us having to hastily reorganise our entire back six just to cope.

Martin isn't in the same league as those other names, who would destroy White as an opponent. We shouldn't be using him in midfield.

The Rhino wrote:
I don't mind White.

One of the things we lack in that playing list is a sense of versatility. I think it goes a long way to explain our performance in close games. We don't have players who have the versatility to take a spell in the forward pocket and actually make an impact there, instead requiring them to rotate exclusively through the bench, because they have no impact when they go forward, or lack whats required down back, with a domino impact on those who legitimately require a spell on the bench.

White can play tall, small, run with, forward, back. I don't rate his kicking skills, and I'm not sure if he truly has football smarts. But he's agro, looks like he gives a shit, and does what is asked of him.

In hindsight, the biggest/most glaring issue of list management last year is giving Carrazzo another year.

All fair points, though I think in hindsight we should have kept Hampson and jettisoned Warnock, discarded Ellard at the end of last year, traded 19 for Mitch Clark, then signed Taylor Hunt, Shaun Higgins and James Frawley.

We never would have signed Liam Jones, Dick or Tutt, though we probably would have had to take 5-10% off everyone else's wages. Not sure they would have cared though.



No offence Jimmae but we can't turn back time.

You can save yours by not joining the should've, could've, would've brigade.

You're better than that.

I was making a point. ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:11 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
mikeychook wrote:
jimmae wrote:
RickJ wrote:
Me too. The big advantage of White as a run-with providing he now has the engine is that if his tallish midfield opponents like Martin Watson Pendlebury or Fyfe go to the goal square he can actually cover them, without us having to hastily reorganise our entire back six just to cope.

Martin isn't in the same league as those other names, who would destroy White as an opponent. We shouldn't be using him in midfield.

The Rhino wrote:
I don't mind White.

One of the things we lack in that playing list is a sense of versatility. I think it goes a long way to explain our performance in close games. We don't have players who have the versatility to take a spell in the forward pocket and actually make an impact there, instead requiring them to rotate exclusively through the bench, because they have no impact when they go forward, or lack whats required down back, with a domino impact on those who legitimately require a spell on the bench.

White can play tall, small, run with, forward, back. I don't rate his kicking skills, and I'm not sure if he truly has football smarts. But he's agro, looks like he gives a shit, and does what is asked of him.

In hindsight, the biggest/most glaring issue of list management last year is giving Carrazzo another year.

All fair points, though I think in hindsight we should have kept Hampson and jettisoned Warnock, discarded Ellard at the end of last year, traded 19 for Mitch Clark, then signed Taylor Hunt, Shaun Higgins and James Frawley.

We never would have signed Liam Jones, Dick or Tutt, though we probably would have had to take 5-10% off everyone else's wages. Not sure they would have cared though.



No offence Jimmae but we can't turn back time.

You can save yours by not joining the should've, could've, would've brigade.

You're better than that.

I was making a point. ;)


Not a very good one.

Hampson has been just as useless at Richmond as he was at Carlton. The difference is they have already worked it out, it took us 6 years! Mitch Clark was never available for trade, he chose to go to a team that was challenging in the top half of the ladder. Same with Higgins and Frawley. The knock on our list is that we have too many taggers and you'd add Taylor Hunt??!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:19 pm 
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I'm with you Baz

No one is saying White is the messiah. He's a good ordinary footballer who is certainly worth his spot in a very mediocre team at this point in time. Whether it's as a third tall in defence, or as a run with, or even as an occasional goal kicker who knows. His role on that flower idiot the neck tattoo the other night was top class. Martin won the game for the Tigers last time against us. Remember how he turned Tuohy inside out in a one on one for the sealer. Weak effort Tuohy. Woulnt have happened against White.

White offers some versatility and his aerobic fitness has improved immeasurably. Give the bloke a chance. He's a genuine hard cauliflower, and I'm sick of how flower soft we are in the clinches over recent times. To paraphrase Bluedog, what we wouldnt give for a Jimmy Buckley, Wayne Johnson, Wayne Harmes, or even a Dean Rice, Fraser Brown or Adrian Hickmont at present who actually enjoy the physical contest.

No one wants a team half full of taggers. I'm with you all on that.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:58 pm 
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Not a very good one.

Hampson has been just as useless at Richmond as he was at Carlton. The difference is they have already worked it out, it took us 6 years! Mitch Clark was never available for trade, he chose to go to a team that was challenging in the top half of the ladder. Same with Higgins and Frawley. The knock on our list is that we have too many taggers and you'd add Taylor Hunt??!!!!

What is Matthew Dick at this point, if not a tagger?

If you can afford them, juggle their requirements and sign them simultaneously, wouldn't you? Clark was available, and we would have won the bidding from Melbourne's point of view.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:38 am 
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jimmae wrote:
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Not a very good one.

Hampson has been just as useless at Richmond as he was at Carlton. The difference is they have already worked it out, it took us 6 years! Mitch Clark was never available for trade, he chose to go to a team that was challenging in the top half of the ladder. Same with Higgins and Frawley. The knock on our list is that we have too many taggers and you'd add Taylor Hunt??!!!!

What is Matthew Dick at this point, if not a tagger?

If you can afford them, juggle their requirements and sign them simultaneously, wouldn't you? Clark was available, and we would have won the bidding from Melbourne's point of view.


The issue is that none of these guys wanted to join us.
Tom Mitchell would rather play ressies for the Swans than play for us.
Frawley wants a flag, as does Clark after flogging dead horses at the Demons for a few years.
We are not attractive for quality, only for those who chase more opportunity.
Players on the fringe, for reasons of deficiencies in talent or second fiddle to the more talented are the ones we get.

Hoo-effing-ray for us.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:39 am 
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Ah but if you manage to swing simultaneous signings, it does change the landscape a little bit.

I think there's more than a few players on our list deserving of a pay cut.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:57 am 
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Geez, the "stung into action" game has come early this year. It's usually rd 4 or 5.


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If Mick can't see how we are going to lose a game this year, I actually can't see how we are going to win even this one.


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Bit of reverse psychology! I like it Stoner!

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FB: Byrne Jamison White
HB: Simpson Rowe Yarran
C: Docherty Carazzo Everitt
HF: Menzel Henderson Bell
FF: Jones Casboult Tutt
Foll: Wood Gibbs Murphy
Int: Judd Curnow Cripps (Tuohy)

God there is not a lot of depth.

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