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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:42 pm 
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Noticed that too after the Richmond game.

I'd be happy if they started a rumble. Showed it meant something etc. Or just turn their back and get off the ground. Make a statement. They already know we are soft.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 10:12 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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Good first five minutes, followed 115 mins of tripe. Don't worry about that BS junk time last Q, as the Filth put the stick in the rack well and truly.

Gibbs played like a bloke going somewhere else at seasons end, just a pansy effort. Simmo flew the flag all night, Walker tried and Bucks has real speed and tried his guts out.

We simply must tank from here to seasons end and get draft picks. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't love the club.

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We need not tank. We are bottom 6.


Port were rated bottom 2 in 2012 and a financial basket case off the field

Both Carlton and Port changed coaches at the end of 2012

Nobody that I can remember rated the Port List above Carlton's list.

Nobody had Port in the Finals in 2013.

what happened?


Simple.

Hinkley and Burgess. Great coach and best conditioner in the AFL.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 10:20 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
MIL wrote:
Good first five minutes, followed 115 mins of tripe. Don't worry about that BS junk time last Q, as the Filth put the stick in the rack well and truly.

Gibbs played like a bloke going somewhere else at seasons end, just a pansy effort. Simmo flew the flag all night, Walker tried and Bucks has real speed and tried his guts out.

We simply must tank from here to seasons end and get draft picks. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't love the club.

ciao



We need not tank. We are bottom 6.

are you talking about ratts mike sheahan and tony shaw again????

i love ports leadership dont you???
they also have a midfield..

we have the plodder midfield.. and the half back flankers....

Lots of clubs had a change of coach they didnt all go up.....

Gotta have the right mix of everything.

starting from the top...

why start with the coach at port making the difference and not the guy that found the coach??? :sly:

(and made all the other changes).. kochie

we had sticks...


why not look at every new coach and how theyre all tracking???

'chariots of the gods' stuff again..... areu sure youre not erich von daniken? there are many similarities Cretylus...



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Port were rated bottom 2 in 2012 and a financial basket case off the field

Both Carlton and Port changed coaches at the end of 2012

Nobody that I can remember rated the Port List above Carlton's list.

Nobody had Port in the Finals in 2013.

what happened?

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 12:44 am 
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MIL wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
MIL wrote:
Good first five minutes, followed 115 mins of tripe. Don't worry about that BS junk time last Q, as the Filth put the stick in the rack well and truly.

Gibbs played like a bloke going somewhere else at seasons end, just a pansy effort. Simmo flew the flag all night, Walker tried and Bucks has real speed and tried his guts out.

We simply must tank from here to seasons end and get draft picks. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't love the club.

ciao



We need not tank. We are bottom 6.


Port were rated bottom 2 in 2012 and a financial basket case off the field

Both Carlton and Port changed coaches at the end of 2012

Nobody that I can remember rated the Port List above Carlton's list.

Nobody had Port in the Finals in 2013.

what happened?


Simple.

Hinkley and Burgess. Great coach and best conditioner in the AFL.


Big factors, no doubt - but I think its a little more abstract and deeper than that...

the blues have some unique structural and cultural problems that combine together to prevent the blues from moving out of their rut and taking some leaps. Most are player related but not all.

I can only assume that the administration and direction at the club is blind to these problems - they certainly havent addressed these problems over the past decade. And if they are aware of these problems they either dont care or cant deal with them - I am not sure which is worse.

If these structural problems arent addressed then we will continue in the same manner for many seasons to come

(Looking from the outside I can see about 2 major problems within the playing group, one at board level, two at coaching/development and one at administration level - any one of these can rail road a premiership attempt (ask Collingowood since the 1950s), we have 6! No hope)

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 7:36 am 
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No great surprise I would have thought.
Perhaps we get sucked in by the 2 recent wins but let's be honest, we beat the 15th placed Bulldogs who had significantly more inside 50s but couldnt score and then fell in against West Coast after they kicked 1.8 in the last quarter. Once again they had significantly more inside 50s but couldnt kick it through the bigger sticks.
Its where we are as a team and a club.

Friday nights game went to script. I expect the Collingwood players used the Thomas defection as motivation and their pressure was as good as I've seen it. Whats more our players should have been expecting the heat but disappointingly they couldnt handle it.
Their press was in our face every time we had the ball and they continually forced us into panic and turnovers. For a relatively young side they played manic, aggresive football for 3 quarters.
Our usual problems came back to haunt us. Our inability to get the ball near our forward 50 with any purpose. Our inability to use the spare player around the contest. Our inability to absorb the manic pressure that comes from teams that play with purpose.
To complete the script, Thomas was overwhelmed by the situation and played accordingly.

I was pissed off about the result but also glad. It gives the club some perspective of where we are at.
The board and administration can continue to delusionally blame the apathetic supporters for our paltry 46 thousand members, but they cant blame us for where the team is at. That's all their doing and as much as they may try to sugarcoat it or retire and walk away from it., our current plight will always remain their legacy.

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 9:50 am 
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Thats exactly right BV.
You also do know that Visy buy hundreds of memberships every year. Thats not including the massive buy up last year from the board.

I doubt we have 45,000 real members.

Thats where they have taken this club

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 9:56 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
No great surprise I would have thought.
Perhaps we get sucked in by the 2 recent losses but let's be honest, we beat the 15th placed Bulldogs who had significantly more inside 50s but couldnt score and then fell in against West Coast after they kicked 1.8 in the last quarter. Once again they had significantly more inside 50s but couldnt kick it through the bigger sticks.
Its where we are as a team and a club.

Friday nights game went to script. As expected the Collingwood players used the Thomas defection as motivation and their pressure was as good as I've seen it. Whats more our players should have been expecting the heat but disappointingly they couldnt handle it.
Their press was in our face every time we had the ball and they continually forced us into panic and turnovers. For a relatively young side they played manic, aggresive football for 3 quarters.
Our usual problems came back to haunt us. Our inability to get the ball near our forward 50 with any purpose. Our inability to use the spare player around the contest. Our inability to absorb the manic pressure that comes from teams that play with purpose.
To complete the script, Thomas was overwhelmed by the situation and played accordingly.

I was pissed off about the result but also glad. It gives the club some perspective of where we are at.
The board and administration can continue to delusionally blame the apathetic supporters for our paltry 46 thousand members, but they cant blame us for where the team is at. That's all their doing and as much as they may try to sugarcoat it or retire and walk away from it., our current plight will always remain their legacy.


good summary

I think some got ahead of themselves with our last two victories, should have lost one and beat a young team on the rise

we don't have the skill level to cope with manic pressure by teams like Collingwood

turnovers at critical times are a hallmark of a poor team, which is exactly what we are


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 1:39 pm 
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Agree we are very poor TEAM,malthouse talks about process i have been saying from 2013 watch how hawks geelong play now i have to add the way port and ferals play.ALL goes back to pre season training to soft and slow.EG body shape of blair ,williams,elliot or wines hartlett boak all strong.Now look at bell gibbs,curnow . Seems we are not fit enough how do you explain at contest we are always outnumbered.


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 11:27 pm 
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Finally watched the game, without the emotion. Was expecting general play worse than it was, the pies did punish us bad when we did stuff up. I think there is definetly something else wrong besides not having enough good players. No idea whether its game plan, work ethic , introverts, hardness or all of the above( probably is).

White was really good, Tuohy was much much better, liked Docherty, Buckley, Caz,

Murphy worked hard , not sure about all the things people make up about him sometimes. Robbo too, and is now looking down before he kicks .

No idea what the answer is .


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 11:42 pm 
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I spent the night at a cigar bar enjoying Monte Christo no. 4's and some fine whisky's. Did I miss anything?


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 11:50 pm 
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I spent the night at a cigar bar enjoying Monte Christo no. 4's and some fine whisky's. Did I miss anything?

yes,, u should have gone for the ramon allones specially select

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:13 am 
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yeah, getting ahead of themselves means their tackle count goes from 88 (bulldogs) to 72 (eagles) to 49 (pies)

....their contested ball goes from 150 (bulldogs) to 138 (eagles) to 117 (pies)

They went from their highest workrate, contested ball and tackling for the season against the Bulldogs to their lowest for the season against the Pies.

yes its all about getting ahead of themselves, because they won two games against middle of the road clubs.

Nothing to do with getting the basics right week in week out...oh no ladies and gentlemen it couldnt be that...

no it was purely because they werent switched on and thought they were going to roll the pies easily, THEY got ahead of themselves ladies and gentlemen :roll:

(incidentally, the cats clearly lost to Port the previous week but still racked up 72 tackles. The Saints were absolutely hammered by the hawks by 145 points, with the hawks havign nearly 500 possessions, but they still tackled and out tackled the hawks 73 to 56. The saints almost matched the hawks in contested ball as well, but were just out classed and under manned.)

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:36 am 
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limestone wrote:
Finally watched the game, without the emotion. Was expecting general play worse than it was, the pies did punish us bad when we did stuff up. I think there is definetly something else wrong besides not having enough good players. No idea whether its game plan, work ethic , introverts, hardness or all of the above( probably is).

White was really good, Tuohy was much much better, liked Docherty, Buckley, Caz,

Murphy worked hard , not sure about all the things people make up about him sometimes. Robbo too, and is now looking down before he kicks .

No idea what the answer is .


we matched the pies in possessions

Our tackling and contested ball were the lowest for the year - were you happy with those basic stats?

If they can do the basics against the Bulldogs, they can repeat them EVERY @#$%&! WEEK - win, lose or draw.

But then again we dont have the honest leadership group that would demand this minimum standard. They tolerate mediocrity, so whatever talent they have as a team, becomes irrelevant.

I have been saying for some years now, the areas they need to show attention to each week both during the week at training and during games.

This isnt to say that every player has this attitude, they dont, but if even a small group of players has this attitude to their chosen sport, the team will more than often lose the game, before they enter the arena.

personally I became sick of it during the 2012 season when they reverted back to their old ways (I really thought they turned the corner in 2011 but I was suckered in again. I dont trust them)

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:22 am 
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The Pies even beat us in the legends game at Princes Park yesterday

....& they didn't even need to roll out Stan Magro ladies & gentlemen

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:23 am 
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SOS so clearly wants to come back to us... He's just waiting for the invitation.

Somebody pick up the phone!


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:26 am 
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MIL wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
MIL wrote:
Good first five minutes, followed 115 mins of tripe. Don't worry about that BS junk time last Q, as the Filth put the stick in the rack well and truly.

Gibbs played like a bloke going somewhere else at seasons end, just a pansy effort. Simmo flew the flag all night, Walker tried and Bucks has real speed and tried his guts out.

We simply must tank from here to seasons end and get draft picks. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't love the club.

ciao



We need not tank. We are bottom 6.


Port were rated bottom 2 in 2012 and a financial basket case off the field

Both Carlton and Port changed coaches at the end of 2012

Nobody that I can remember rated the Port List above Carlton's list.

Nobody had Port in the Finals in 2013.

what happened?


Simple.

Hinkley and Burgess. Great coach and best conditioner in the AFL.


Port had plenty of gun youngsters who had been injured in there first few years.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:30 am 
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:52 pm 
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Heard an interview with pendles said how hard they work in defending(run both ways),Now remember when they called us down hill skiers what year was that? What has changed?


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:56 pm 
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In the 2nd quarter Pendleburry gave a handpass in his own forward 50 that went to ground, we recovered and lumbered the ball up field.

We eventually kicked to a 2 on 1 in our goal square to Henderson. The two-on-one comprised of Henderson's man Keefe and the other guy was Pendelbury.

He ran the entire field, stayed with the play and made the goal saving spoil on Henderson after his missed handball.

I can honestly say I've never seen a carlton effort like that since about 1999/ 2000 ...


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