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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:17 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
bluebeard wrote:
Boring, I am a premiership coach. This is my agenda at the next meeting.

Probably not relevant.

This can be done in 40 minutes and before the warm up to start the trial, so please look to be in attendance by 2:00pm at the latest.

The discussion will include:

Kick out options
Defending against the oppositions kick outs
Center square options.
Positioning and hit out options at stoppages.
Defending options against an opposition run on.
Defending and attacking in windy conditions.
Wet weather options.
Likely use of the interchange.
Ball movement out of defence.
Ball movement in attack.
When to spread, when not to spread.
Calling for the ball.
Forward positioning.
Defensive positioning.
Midfield positioning at stoppages. (When to be in front)


Critical list I am sure....

But if the 1%ers are missing, or even down a little bit, then all these aspects to the game plane are irrelevant...

tackling pressure, blockages, helping team mates outs, sacrificial acts, work rate etc

The first things a good team looks at, and values. The rest will sort itself out with experience, preparation and planning

I am sure you enjoyed the last final we played against the Swans? 39 tackles, total for the whole match and the Swans had the ball at almost record levels.

This is a brutal contact sport, and a game of inches sometimes, a team needs to get the basics right - and sadly we rarely do. When we turn up to play with spirit, venom and intent, we play like a committed team and results usually follow with the talent that we have.

I think we were down 64% in 1%ers.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:14 pm 
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Why does Murphy keep handballing off when he could go back and kick the goal himself?

Because he wants to pass on the responsibility to someone else...not a good sign from a captain...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:23 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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Why does Murphy keep handballing off when he could go back and kick the goal himself?

Because he wants to pass on the responsibility to someone else...not a good sign from a captain...


Or another way of looking at it is he's trying to bring other blokes into the game.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:29 pm 
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bluebeard wrote:
Boring, I am a premiership coach. This is my agenda at the next meeting.

Probably not relevant.

This can be done in 40 minutes and before the warm up to start the trial, so please look to be in attendance by 2:00pm at the latest.

The discussion will include:

Kick out options
Defending against the oppositions kick outs
Center square options.
Positioning and hit out options at stoppages.
Defending options against an opposition run on.
Defending and attacking in windy conditions.
Wet weather options.
Likely use of the interchange.
Ball movement out of defence.
Ball movement in attack.
When to spread, when not to spread.
Calling for the ball.
Forward positioning.
Defensive positioning.
Midfield positioning at stoppages. (When to be in front)



Na ...

We should bring the ball slowly around the wings.
Bomb the football into the forward line.
Bore the opposition into submission.
Don't play young footballers with potential ... we need to give the older ones more time.
Don't take any risks.
Steady as she goes.
This is not the time for fancy modern tactics.

Get on board with Dr Strangelove and the MC.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:23 pm 
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Hey guys, not sure if anyone has already mentioned it but I was curious to know why Heath Scotland didn't play last week!! Is he suspended? Injured? or just not selected?


The same question goes for Armfield.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:03 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
bluebeard wrote:
Boring, I am a premiership coach. This is my agenda at the next meeting.

Probably not relevant.

This can be done in 40 minutes and before the warm up to start the trial, so please look to be in attendance by 2:00pm at the latest.

The discussion will include:

Kick out options
Defending against the oppositions kick outs
Center square options.
Positioning and hit out options at stoppages.
Defending options against an opposition run on.
Defending and attacking in windy conditions.
Wet weather options.
Likely use of the interchange.
Ball movement out of defence.
Ball movement in attack.
When to spread, when not to spread.
Calling for the ball.
Forward positioning.
Defensive positioning.
Midfield positioning at stoppages. (When to be in front)



Na ...

We should bring the ball slowly around the wings.
Bomb the football into the forward line.
Bore the opposition into submission.
Don't play young footballers with potential ... we need to give the older ones more time.
Don't take any risks.
Steady as she goes.
This is not the time for fancy modern tactics.

Get on board with Dr Strangelove and the MC.




risks or the percentages??
boring is how sydney and freo win flags or are there abouts.
exciting was us when we used to not get anywhere...
what young players? cripps? a guy who wont be able to run out a quarter?
steady as she goes.. till we bring in some talent
modern tactics u mean what??.. a flag and a GF appearaace 3or 4 years ago isnt modern enough for u???

whos modern???

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:06 pm 
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BIRDTOWN wrote:
limestone wrote:

I'm thinking the same with Robbos long kicking at all costs. Ratts taught him to look low and take the better option when possible, but he has gone back to the big boot, but its always. I think they are both following instructions.

What do you think ? I hope I'm wrong on both , because its @#$%&! aweful.


Not sure on the Robbo theory. Last year he got dropped and came back vs Richmond and notably more composed with ball in hand. Stop, think, look then kick.
Really think it's the mentality of some our players compounded in the heat of an AFL game, and then fatigue constricts us further.




Glad to hear it TBH, at least it's something that might get fixed, instead of spreading to other p,ayers.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:17 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
bluebeard wrote:
Boring, I am a premiership coach. This is my agenda at the next meeting.

Probably not relevant.

This can be done in 40 minutes and before the warm up to start the trial, so please look to be in attendance by 2:00pm at the latest.

The discussion will include:

Kick out options
Defending against the oppositions kick outs
Center square options.
Positioning and hit out options at stoppages.
Defending options against an opposition run on.
Defending and attacking in windy conditions.
Wet weather options.
Likely use of the interchange.
Ball movement out of defence.
Ball movement in attack.
When to spread, when not to spread.
Calling for the ball.
Forward positioning.
Defensive positioning.
Midfield positioning at stoppages. (When to be in front)


Critical list I am sure....

But if the 1%ers are missing, or even down a little bit, then all these aspects to the game plane are irrelevant...

tackling pressure, blockages, helping team mates outs, sacrificial acts, work rate etc

The first things a good team looks at, and values. The rest will sort itself out with experience, preparation and planning

I am sure you enjoyed the last final we played against the Swans? 39 tackles, total for the whole match and the Swans had the ball at almost record levels.

This is a brutal contact sport, and a game of inches sometimes, a team needs to get the basics right - and sadly we rarely do. When we turn up to play with spirit, venom and intent, we play like a committed team and results usually follow with the talent that we have.

I think we were down 64% in 1%ers.


64%?

Coaches continually say that if the team is off their game even 5% then they are unlikely to win if their opponents are on song.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:24 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
bluebeard wrote:
Boring, I am a premiership coach. This is my agenda at the next meeting.

Probably not relevant.

This can be done in 40 minutes and before the warm up to start the trial, so please look to be in attendance by 2:00pm at the latest.

The discussion will include:

Kick out options
Defending against the oppositions kick outs
Center square options.
Positioning and hit out options at stoppages.
Defending options against an opposition run on.
Defending and attacking in windy conditions.
Wet weather options.
Likely use of the interchange.
Ball movement out of defence.
Ball movement in attack.
When to spread, when not to spread.
Calling for the ball.
Forward positioning.
Defensive positioning.
Midfield positioning at stoppages. (When to be in front)


Critical list I am sure....

But if the 1%ers are missing, or even down a little bit, then all these aspects to the game plane are irrelevant...

tackling pressure, blockages, helping team mates outs, sacrificial acts, work rate etc

The first things a good team looks at, and values. The rest will sort itself out with experience, preparation and planning

I am sure you enjoyed the last final we played against the Swans? 39 tackles, total for the whole match and the Swans had the ball at almost record levels.

This is a brutal contact sport, and a game of inches sometimes, a team needs to get the basics right - and sadly we rarely do. When we turn up to play with spirit, venom and intent, we play like a committed team and results usually follow with the talent that we have.

I think we were down 64% in 1%ers.


64%?

Coaches continually say that if the team is off their game even 5% then they are unlikely to win if their opponents are on song.


Your are dead right about the 1%ers.

Sadly, my amateur football players already understand that it is a given.

Obviously our soft, stupid and forgetful Carlton players don't.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:27 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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You will change your tune on him Synbad. I remember you started out supporting Pagan then changed. It'll happen. ;)


Really???

pagan had a great record till he came here...
he ran into the same problems as the other coaches
lack of pride and effort
spoilt footballers


Pagan was sacked by Carlton and went on to coach TAC.
He lasted there a season and they couldn't wait to get rid of him.
All coaches have use by dates. Jeans, Parkin, Hafey, even the great Leigh Matthews.

So IMHO, Carlton wasn't solely responsible for finishing Pagan. He was the master of his own destiny.
His pig headedness and unwillingness to adapt and evolve contributed the position we are today.
Our challenge is to stopping it repeating itself.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:34 pm 
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I have said this for many years now.

The blues must identify the 1%ers, scrutinize them during game and practice conditions and appoint a coach that purely looks at this important area of the game. Every other coach also needs to incorporate the 1%er doctrine into their everyday work with the players. The players and leadership group as well.

39 tackles in last years disgraful loss to the swans in that final.

Every player must leave the field after a match knowing that they executed the 1%ers to the best of their ability and put in a maximum work rate. I can live with a loss if I see these areas fulfilled by the team. Skill errors and decision making mistakes are part of learning and I can live with them as well.

Lack of effort, and attention to the basic 1%ers in the game, are unacceptable.

Why should I become a member of the club ?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:37 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Effes wrote:
You will change your tune on him Synbad. I remember you started out supporting Pagan then changed. It'll happen. ;)


Really???

pagan had a great record till he came here...
he ran into the same problems as the other coaches
lack of pride and effort
spoilt footballers


Pagan was sacked by Carlton and went on to coach TAC.
He lasted there a season and they couldn't wait to get rid of him.
All coaches have use by dates. Jeans, Parkin, Hafey, even the great Leigh Matthews.

So IMHO, Carlton wasn't solely responsible for finishing Pagan. He was the master of his own destiny.
His pig headedness and unwillingness to adapt and evolve contributed the position we are today.
Our challenge is to stopping it repeating itself.

Actually i think Pagan lost the fire in the belly... he coached many a year... often to a very high level.
Thats undeniable.
I dont think Mick has lost the fire in the belly.
Our challenge is not Mick.. its to restructure the footy club from top to bottom.... that might mean Mick also.. but it sure doesnt mean its just Mick .

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:41 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Effes wrote:
You will change your tune on him Synbad. I remember you started out supporting Pagan then changed. It'll happen. ;)


Really???

pagan had a great record till he came here...
he ran into the same problems as the other coaches
lack of pride and effort
spoilt footballers


Pagan was sacked by Carlton and went on to coach TAC.
He lasted there a season and they couldn't wait to get rid of him.
All coaches have use by dates. Jeans, Parkin, Hafey, even the great Leigh Matthews.

So IMHO, Carlton wasn't solely responsible for finishing Pagan. He was the master of his own destiny.
His pig headedness and unwillingness to adapt and evolve contributed the position we are today.
Our challenge is to stopping it repeating itself.

Actually i think Pagan lost the fire in the belly... he coached many a year... often to a very high level.
Thats undeniable.
I dont think Mick has lost the fire in the belly.
Our challenge is not Mick.. its to restructure the footy club from top to bottom.... that might mean Mick also.. but it sure doesnt mean its just Mick .


So when pagan was coach it wasn't his fault

Likewise it's not Malthouse's fault?

What about rats?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:41 pm 
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..we have had a shite culture for years, still do in some areas.. ..will take years of hard work to fix it.. ..but that is not Carlton..

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:49 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..we have had a shite culture for years, still do in some areas.. ..will take years of hard work to fix it.. ..but that is not Carlton..


Port power changed it in 1 pre season.

If I recall correctly port was broke, and couldn't win at home. Total basket case.

One training session with hinkley and the players changed attitude, worked hard and had hope. Hinkley asked the players to repeat their first 5km run, because they just went through the motions. He told them he didn't like that attitude, and attitude starts at training.

Ironically, it was the same week that carlton started its pre season under Mick (nov 2012). But as we all know mick was on a book promotional tour with his daughter and so The great Robert Wiley was at the helm.

That's were we are at as a club. Top to bottom mediocrity and unimaginative weak leadership throughout. You only need to look at swans executive decisions to see this in its grandeur

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:56 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
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..we have had a shite culture for years, still do in some areas.. ..will take years of hard work to fix it.. ..but that is not Carlton..


Port power changed it in 1 pre season.

If I recall correctly port was broke, and couldn't win at home. Total basket case.

One training session with hinkley and the players changed attitude, worked hard and had hope. Hinkley asked the players to repeat their first 5km run, because they just went through the motions. He told them he didn't like that attitude, and attitude starts at training.

Ironically, it was the same week that carlton started its pre season under Mick (nov 2012). But as we all know mick was on a book promotional tour with his daughter and so The great Robert Wiley was at the helm.

That's were we are at as a club. Top to bottom mediocrity and unimaginative weak leadership throughout. You only need to look at swans executive decisions to see this in its grandeur

Rats created a team of one dimensional half back flankers.
I said back then if i were Ratts id have told the recruiters.. one more half back flanker and ill make sure youre all sacked.... but he loved his half back flankers...
Port didnt recruit half back flankers... actually nobody does.. thats why we had so many to choose from.
Port took a ripper bunch of mids... we can only dream of having their midfield.
Whilst we were very busy picking up half back flankers...Poet / Dogs etc have been bust taking mids.
What does this mean?
Ill tell u what... we need to cull 15 of the 20 hbfers and replace them with mids...
do you have any idea how many rookies we have in our side???Players that have come to the club rookie listed.. Thats because we took a heap of half back flankers with our picks.. they were culled and with our important positions are being filled with rookie listed players.

How will any side win flags with ten rookie listed players??
i dunno.. but maybe you can enlighten the thread by answering that question Cretylus?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:01 pm 
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BTW Cretylus , you speak of Port changing it in one season.... why dont all the teams change it one season?
I believe youre right.. and by changing just a coach... you can change it one season.
So what statistics do you have that says .. if you change your coach you will change it one season?
You love your stats and figures.. go and work out that one.
How many teams change a coach and their fortunes??
The mortality rate for coaches is very high.. i think your stats will uncover that.
Next ... i wanna know why all clubs dont follow the Port model and change their fortunes in one season....
If you can answer me that... youre Kratilos... if you cant.. its more fanciful dreaming and theorising ..its boring. :wink:

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We need a new board then new coaches then a lot of new players
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Cretylus wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..we have had a shite culture for years, still do in some areas.. ..will take years of hard work to fix it.. ..but that is not Carlton..


Port power changed it in 1 pre season.

If I recall correctly port was broke, and couldn't win at home. Total basket case.

One training session with hinkley and the players changed attitude, worked hard and had hope. Hinkley asked the players to repeat their first 5km run, because they just went through the motions. He told them he didn't like that attitude, and attitude starts at training.

Ironically, it was the same week that carlton started its pre season under Mick (nov 2012). But as we all know mick was on a book promotional tour with his daughter and so The great Robert Wiley was at the helm.

That's were we are at as a club. Top to bottom mediocrity and unimaginative weak leadership throughout. You only need to look at swans executive decisions to see this in its grandeur



..port bottomed out at the wrong time and had a shizen coach, but they also won a flag mid noughties, made a granny and got smashed but got there a few years after their flag, and when their coach wasn't working they booted him right quick.. ..ups and downs, but you got to have some culture to do what they did.. ..we liked to point and laugh but our culture has been rotten for too long.. ..we just sweep it under the rug, it's the Carlton way..

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