R23: Port Adelaide v Carlton (Post match discussion)

Locke · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:46 pm

We insisted on playing a loose man at the stoppages rather than behind the ball in the first half and paid for it accordingly.

I wasn't impressed with Muprhy at all until that last quarter. He played forward a lot and didn't seem to have any desire to get into the game. Last quarter of his more than made up for it, but a little consistency, skip.

Gibbs ran and ran all day and was rewarded for it in the last. He is very physical in the stoppages for a bloke who has a "soft" reputation. I think that's why he's such a good clearance player.

We certainly missed Brock, I didn't rate Ellard's game.

That last quarter we went straight up the guts time and time again and it paid off. I've got no issues with coming out of the backline wide, but we must straighten up the second it's in our half of the ground. Aside from our generally shit kicking, I think that's the main reason we scored so many points.

And don't blame Waite for leading to the boundary, he has little choice when the player kicking to him is effectively on the boundary line 80m from goal.

Kruezer's game was weird. He was in everything and destroyed a few blokes with big tackles. I was shocked when I got home to see he had just the 3 possies. I thought his influence was better than that. Knockers was good but the bloke can't mark a footy to save himself.

Henderson won't play that badly again. Was largely ineffectual. Injured?

AGRO · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:30 pm

King Kenny wrote:

Hughesy at his best:

http://youtu.be/EsEBpRaXXr8

Very funny Dave Hughes - there by the grace of god go I .

:oops:

By the way, too little way to late Andy Maher.

:roll:

Jez1966 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:42 pm **Posts:** 2833

The comeback............

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ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Watched the last quarter again.

7 goals from soft turnovers by Port. We had players running forward of the ball as usual and as such kicked easy goals.

The more I watched it the more it looked as if Port got tired, made basic mistakes and we took advantage.

In space and against a weak defence we are as good as anyone but when the heat is on too many players go missing.

A good win but lets not let it cloud where we really are.

missnaut · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:00 pm

I hate this football team sometimes. The first half was weak, insipid and embarrassing. The second half was the complete opposite. At 3/4 time despite being 29 points down my boyfriend said to me "You know, we're still a chance" and I thought yeah we'll probably kick 3 goals, get to within 10 points and then lose by about 18 points. But we kept coming, and coming, and then it was at the stage where I thought if we @#$%&! this up again I'm going to cry. When Broadbent had that shot that hit the post I just kept thinking of last week and for some reason the footy gods were on our side and he missed and that was that. When the siren went I just felt sheer relief that we hadnt cocked this one up again. Which I overcame for long enough to get stuck into the feral Port idiot behind me who'd been completely obnoxious all game yet was a mute at the siren :lol:

choo · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:07 pm

Synbad wrote:

The leaders finally stood up

except Waite... but im expecting Waite to tear the Tigers apart this week!!.. this sums him up

He did kick the winning goal.

Rod Waddell · **Joined:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1650

Terrible 1st half. Let Port do as they liked. Having said that if we had split our misses the game would of been a lot closer than the 5 goal deficit at 3 Qtr time.

MM tightened the game up in the second half and his moves were good. Duigan stiffened us up a bit, Curnow quietened the WCE reject and we manned up.

Duigan's bump on Cornes was a beauty. We need one of these a week minimum...l love them & gives the team a lift. Flower it we are always on the receiving end of these! He should get a game next week purely for this act!!

We are still a long way from Top 4 material. 3 midfielders and one key backman minimum.

Suffer don fans....just like 99 when throughout the prelim game their fans were talking about where to line up for GF tickets. No GF and no finals this year.

idle · **Joined:** Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:48 pm **Posts:** 931

ThePsychologist is absolutely correct, but its amazing what a little confidence can do for a side, and the boys should gain some confidence from coming back from 29 points down.

If this travels into our first finals game, anything can happen. If the win showed anything, it showed me, if we get a sniff, we can make something of it.

I pray we play to our strengths. We are a brilliant running side, quick, and we should play this to our advantage. I am NOT a fan of the bomb it long strategy. Nor am I a fan of the hug the boundary philosophy.

The defensive style of football Malthouse is trying to install has its merits, but I do think it interferes with our explosive run and carry game. Its going to take some time to get this balance right.

Already you can see this coming into play with Walker and Simpson off the half back. But instead of continuing along the boundary line, I'd like to see transfer of play to the guts of the ground and use our speed to get it forward to a leading mark.

If the leading mark doesn't take it, put on the forward pressure, with the three amigos there to wreak havoc. Malthouse should extract the very best from our playing group over time. I have absolutely no doubts about it. And his defensive style of game does have its merits, its something we truly need going forward.

All I see right now is the balance isn't there. If we play to a strict defensive style of play we effectively tie one hand behind our back in not utilising one of our main strengths, run and carry. Instinctively we have players who get the ball and want to move forward with it. But instead of running in numbers, we have players too mindful of defensive structures which leaves gaping holes all over the ground, confusion sets in and it makes us look slow and uninterested.

If you watch Malthouse in the box, he often has the shits. Rubs his face, shakes his head, yelling down the mic at the runners. Why?

I believe the team is having difficulty with his defensive style of play. A footballers instincts should be utilised to advantage. Malthouse is frustrated because players (in the heat of a VERY fast game) are not instinctive to his defensive mindset. Until this balance is reached, I think we'll struggle to get fluidity in our game, and mistakes WILL happen. Which then leads to Malthouse being frustrated ...

Malthouse inherited this team. A team that was recruited under a different style of play. I believe the run and carry style of play has its merits. It can work for us. We've got some exceptionally quick and talented footballers who at the minute are trying to come to terms with a very different style of play. Albeit very unintuitive to their natural ability.

Players feeling lost and disheartened going against their natural talent and losing confidence in their ability. We may very well lose some great talent because of this. From the outside looking in the masses will say "he's a dud anyway, get rid of him" when in fact he's anything but a dud, just a player who is having troubles coming to terms that his natural style of doing things is not what the boss wants. The balance is the boss either changes his vision to accommodate a players natural ability or lets the player go for another which fits the plan.

In the interim I'd like to see a balance of both. If this is possible of coarse. I am NOT looking forward to a rebuild. Perish the thought. We have a team that was recruited under a different style of play, lets go with that. The defensive style that Malthouse wants is valid, but with the current list we have I don't think he's style of play is entirely possible. I don't want to see a massive clean out at seasons end and a rebuild. Not if it means another bloody 3 - 4 seasons of waiting for it to come together. And football being what it is, there's no guarantees if we do rebuild.

Judd will be gone for sure, many of our current group of stars will be at the back end of their careers by then, and what, we get one crack at it? ARGHHHH!!!!

Lets stick with what we've got and make it work. Play our exciting run and carry style of game AND utilise Malthouse's defensive style WITHOUT hamstringing our natural abilities and talents. Is this possible? ...

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14938

I was away for the weekend with no internet or foxtel.
I was not sure if Hughesy was having us on or not on Before the Game.
I have watched the last quarter.
I hope Doc had a good weekend and survived the Port supporters.
Terrific win, just as well as Adelaide want past us on percentage and North won.
Thanks Essendon*.

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 6933

I don't know why we need to be so stringent in our approach?

Why can't we play defensively and put our foot down and run it down their throats when we need to? Then slow it back down and hug the boundary when the other team gathers some momentum.

Watching the hawks, that's how they approach the game. They know when to press and push, and they know when to slow it down and be defensive and when to protect the ball. Geelong are the same.

MPH78 · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:20 pm

Watched the replay this morning.

The first 2.5 quarters were ordinary to say the least. So much at stake, and we let them stream from down back with run and spread with zero resistance. Not to mention our ordinary skills and woeful goal kicking.

Work rate improved in the third but couldn't convert on the scoreboard.

Last quarter was of course brilliant. Took the game on and backed ourselves. Could perhaps argue Port had stopped but at least we showed some intent and ticker and went for it.

Hoping like hell this has generated some confidence and self belief.

If I could choose a finals opponent that we would do best against it would be the Tiges. No reason we can't make it tough for them.

ryan2000 · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:56 pm

I haven't watched the game yet as have been travelling all weekend.......... will watch it tonight.

However..........

Can somebody tell me why the bloody-hell the AFL let those jumpers be worn by both teams.

From the pictures i have seen, I couldn't tell who's-who's from the back of them. Feel sorry for players, of both teams. Good God what a dumb-dumb-stupid-dumb-dumb idea.

Honestly! Use some frigen common-sense,

:banghead:

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

I reckon it took until 3/4 time for Carlton to get used to the clash

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:22 pm

GWS wrote:

Last year I played tennis for the first time in 25 years. I used to play a bit and a mate asked me to come out for a hit so I thought why not?

To put it bluntly I was completely retarded. Everything I thought I should be able to do (and once could) I couldn't. But I had a good enough time socially that I agreed to play again the following week. Same result but a couple of times something I tried came off and I felt a bit better about it so I decided it my be worth keeping up for a bit longer.

The third time we played I'd got worse. I kept thinking through all the things I knew I needed to do and yet nothing was working. I was very close to giving up but instead I said bugger it I'm just going to belt the crap out of everything as if I was 16 again.

My first return of serve went straight down the line at 100kms an hour. My mate just looked at me with a "Where the @#$%&! did that come from?" stare. Next one went cross court same result. I'd stopped thinking and started hitting. The muscle memory was still there and the key to unlocking it was to shut down the mental memory. The rest of the game was similar.

Over the last 12 months I've been playing every week and I'm now getting coaching (which I never did as a kid). My tennis is a reasonable standard again but each time my coach tries to refine a part of my game or teach me a new way of doing something I struggle for a while. I find myself thinking my way through each shot or movement around the court and I'm retarded again. There's nothing instinctive about what I'm doing in those moments and my body and my brain are disengaged.

And when that happens I'm not just out of my depth, I'm also frustrated and annoyed. I don't run quite as hard, I don't enjoy the game as much and I don't play well. My confidence drops and stuff that we're not changing that should still be instinctual deserts me.

I am Carlton.

That last quarter looked like "Okay I'm going to belt the crap out of everything now". It's built into those guys from before they were teenagers. They're pretty good at it too! The problem is if they want to be truly great players in a truly great team they're going to have to able to do that AND think their way strategically through a game and be flexibale enough to adapt to different game plans. And that means learning knew ways of doing things.

And I don't think it's just the players going through this.

At the moment it seems that most of them are struggling with Mick's game plan but Mick's also struggling with them. Both the team and Mick appear to be floundering a lot of the time because they're over thinking his instructions and he's not familiar with the group he's in charge of. It's got to be easier to coach a group you've been in charge of for five years than a group you've just taken on. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mick's doing a lot more second guessing of himself at the moment than he would have been at Collingwood a few years back.

Reprogramming is really bloody hard.

The good news is that my backhand is now about 80% as good as my forehand compared to the 50% it once was. It's not as completely instinctual as my forehand but it's getting closer than it ever has been and I'm a better player for having worked through the learning process.

I reckon the players will get better over time too but maybe we sometimes underestimate the full extent of the effects of the second guessing that comes with a structural change like a new coach.

POY

Best sense made by this post than any other this year...other than mine.... Nah GWS just nailed it

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:25 pm

Mosquito Fleet wrote:

Putting duigan in the centre might be the move of the season.

He would be a smarter wrecking ball than robbo

I just turned again.

The same reason I wanted someone like Duigan....September...hard....tough...hurt factor.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:31 pm

camelboy wrote:

Just watching the replay and it was during the 3rd quarter that Westhoff strolled past Trengove to score a goal, while Walks was scratching the ground.

That was as poor a team passage of play as I've seen from us all year. No pressure anywhere on the ground. The goal gave them a 39 point lead, there was 9 minutes left on the clock for the 3rd quarter.

How on earth did we come back from that?!

:lol:

That was the moment in time we hit rock bottom.
Rock bottom....I really thought Tex had his mind elsewhere...then after that he was BOG for mine

AGRO · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:54 pm

bondiblue wrote:

GWS wrote:

Last year I played tennis for the first time in 25 years. I used to play a bit and a mate asked me to come out for a hit so I thought why not?

To put it bluntly I was completely retarded. Everything I thought I should be able to do (and once could) I couldn't. But I had a good enough time socially that I agreed to play again the following week. Same result but a couple of times something I tried came off and I felt a bit better about it so I decided it my be worth keeping up for a bit longer.

The third time we played I'd got worse. I kept thinking through all the things I knew I needed to do and yet nothing was working. I was very close to giving up but instead I said bugger it I'm just going to belt the crap out of everything as if I was 16 again.

My first return of serve went straight down the line at 100kms an hour. My mate just looked at me with a "Where the @#$%&! did that come from?" stare. Next one went cross court same result. I'd stopped thinking and started hitting. The muscle memory was still there and the key to unlocking it was to shut down the mental memory. The rest of the game was similar.

Over the last 12 months I've been playing every week and I'm now getting coaching (which I never did as a kid). My tennis is a reasonable standard again but each time my coach tries to refine a part of my game or teach me a new way of doing something I struggle for a while. I find myself thinking my way through each shot or movement around the court and I'm retarded again. There's nothing instinctive about what I'm doing in those moments and my body and my brain are disengaged.

And when that happens I'm not just out of my depth, I'm also frustrated and annoyed. I don't run quite as hard, I don't enjoy the game as much and I don't play well. My confidence drops and stuff that we're not changing that should still be instinctual deserts me.

I am Carlton.

That last quarter looked like "Okay I'm going to belt the crap out of everything now". It's built into those guys from before they were teenagers. They're pretty good at it too! The problem is if they want to be truly great players in a truly great team they're going to have to able to do that AND think their way strategically through a game and be flexibale enough to adapt to different game plans. And that means learning knew ways of doing things.

And I don't think it's just the players going through this.

At the moment it seems that most of them are struggling with Mick's game plan but Mick's also struggling with them. Both the team and Mick appear to be floundering a lot of the time because they're over thinking his instructions and he's not familiar with the group he's in charge of. It's got to be easier to coach a group you've been in charge of for five years than a group you've just taken on. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mick's doing a lot more second guessing of himself at the moment than he would have been at Collingwood a few years back.

Reprogramming is really bloody hard.

The good news is that my backhand is now about 80% as good as my forehand compared to the 50% it once was. It's not as completely instinctual as my forehand but it's getting closer than it ever has been and I'm a better player for having worked through the learning process.

I reckon the players will get better over time too but maybe we sometimes underestimate the full extent of the effects of the second guessing that comes with a structural change like a new coach.

POY

Best sense made by this post than any other this year...other than mine.... Nah GWS just nailed it

I thought he was talking about Lleyton Hewitt. :razz:

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anthopides · **Joined:** Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:56 am **Posts:** 61

79Vintage wrote:

Only four more wins and we'll be Premiers! :thumbsup:

When the other 7 get pinged for cheating (bringing in the game into disrepute)

camel · **Posted:** Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:09 am

bondiblue wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Just watching the replay and it was during the 3rd quarter that Westhoff strolled past Trengove to score a goal, while Walks was scratching the ground.

That was as poor a team passage of play as I've seen from us all year. No pressure anywhere on the ground. The goal gave them a 39 point lead, there was 9 minutes left on the clock for the 3rd quarter.

How on earth did we come back from that?!

:lol:

That was the moment in time we hit rock bottom.
Rock bottom....I really thought Tex had his mind elsewhere...then after that he was BOG for mine

He was very good. But he was also the one guarding the space when Westhoff kicked that set shot snap from the boundary line. The commentators kept going on that there was nobody there. There was, it was Walker, but he didn't get close enough to put any pressure on Westhoff.

That said, his run, carry and foot skills in the last were influential in the win. Like a lot of his mates he just needs to keep his mind on the job at all times.

R23: Port Adelaide v Carlton (Post match discussion)

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