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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:12 pm 
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Best of a bad bunch of options, I think.

Ideally, Menzel as sub for mine, but in the bigger picture, means you're probably needing a full game out of Joseph (although, I suppose you could swap Joseph for Curnow...)
Even more annoying was watching Lindsay Thomas tear apart Collingwood's lack of small defenders on Sunday too.

We're even skint on the half back flanker front if we play Yarran up forward a whole game. Is Laidler good enough offensively to take over Yarran's role down back? The other option is Davies. Yeahnah....

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:16 pm 
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This is an opportunity for Yarran or Garlett to show they can turn it on in big games without their third amigo.

There will be times when your best are missing against quality opposition. What better than Round 2 to give someone a task of doing a Betts job. And for me that is Garlett. Front and centre of packs. Forward line pressure. Lock it in. He and Yarran have the capability to do that. Now's the time for them to pay it forward.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:17 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
The other option is Davies. Yeahnah....


I wouldn't put Davies at the back of the team bus, let alone in the back of the field. But that's just my opinion.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:22 pm 
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The pies players were all saying at the end of 2011 that micks boundary style had been worked out and it needed to change.
I think he got a bit lucky working in 2009-2010 when the rest of the league were flooding the centre corridor to beat Geelongs tactics. Left the wings right open for him
The suprise of the press also caught out a league that had not seen such a thing at the level and were still coming up with ways to counter it. Back then it was 5 v 14 when trying to get it out of the zone.
Times have changed.

Will he toss it out the window completely? With that will he start playing taggers? Carrazzo seems a better player when being defensive. Might get him back up to scratch if he plays him on Pendlebury.
Will he adopt the proven tactic of maning Maxwell?
If we do play the boundary tactic i hope we dont go as long. Just giving it away if we do.

Can't see a confused Carlton beating a switched on Magpies this week.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:23 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
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gee brave effort by Eddie to keep playing - we'll miss him bigtime



Has nothing on brave Essendon*'s bravery over the last couple of months though. #BraveBombers

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:26 pm 
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I agree, Yarran and Garlett full game up forward makes sense.

Your issue is reshuffling the backline. Take Yarran out, Scotland already gone, Gibbs playing midfield more often (and no certainty to play this week either), your run and carry off half back is decimated.

What do you do to rectify it?

1) Move Gibbs back after one game (you mentioned Malthouse "selling his soul" re: game plan...)
2) Play Laidler there in a role he's not accustomed to?
3) Give Buckley a full game up forward and keep Yarran down back
4) Forfeit
5) .....play Davies

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:38 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
I agree, Yarran and Garlett full game up forward makes sense.

Your issue is reshuffling the backline. Take Yarran out, Scotland already gone, Gibbs playing midfield more often (and no certainty to play this week either), your run and carry off half back is decimated.

What do you do to rectify it?

1) Move Gibbs back after one game (you mentioned Malthouse "selling his soul" re: game plan...)
2) Play Laidler there in a role he's not accustomed to?
3) Give Buckley a full game up forward and keep Yarran down back
4) Forfeit
5) .....play Davies


#4 is looking good..... :yikes:

Keep on saying there is opportunity but so far the opportunities are not being taken.
In its most simplistic terms we lack the following

1. Class
2. Mongrel

These were qualities that made our great sides of the 80's what they were. Just isn't there enough despite all the low draft picks in the side.

Always hopeful still that the opportunities will be taken - Yarran, Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer against quality opposition this week.

Hopefully Robbo will be ok and bring in Tommy Bell to replace Eddie to bowl over a few early and add some of that mongrel.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:49 pm 
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Walker out of the backline seemed to work okay in Round 1 and he got a decent amount of it.

Hampson you can live without (he was gone 10 minutes into the game last year in the same fixture). Betts out is the crucial one.

Something has to radically change to kick a winning score. Either Casboult has a game that everyone demands of him, and Warnock or Rowe come in and exert some influence. Can't really see those happening.

What's Plan C Mick?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:00 pm 
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just my opinion, means nothing,
laidler jamison tuohy
walker henderson lucas
simpson carrazzo yarran
gibbs rowe armfield
garlett kreuzer robinson
warnock judd murphy
i/c; bell duigan bootsma
sub; dale/buckley
out's; joseph hampson[inj] betts[inj] casboult mclean
in's; laidler Rowe dale bell warnock
few injuries hurt,
rowe/kreuzer up forward with kreuzer and warnock to rotate, warnock gets he's chance.
laidler is the general down back, missed him last week.
bell should have played last week, maybe can run with swan, big body is needed and imo is ahead of mclean.
armfield to play a run with role, most likely shaw.
dale/buckley will never happen, but reckon both have something special about them, x factor type.
would love to see mitchell getting a game, but reckon rowe is in front at the moment.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:01 pm 
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Dale would need to be promoted.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:02 pm 
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teknodeejay wrote:
They should watch yesterday's game and take a leaf out of Geelong's book. A club that for all purposes should be on the decline but 5 goals down they stick it right up the Hawks. They made a lot of mistakes, but they also backed each other and were prepared to tackle and get defend and sacrifice for the guy in a better position.

Guys like Stokes, Christensen, Hunt, Duncan and Smedts were excellent.

The way that Carlton are adopting a boundary line gameplan is all wrong in my view. Bombs to unproven or inadequate tall man setups along the wing. We just don't have the cattle to make the most of that.

Getting smashed in clearances doesn't help either.


Malthouse being the proven coach that he is, is now hopefully not too old to come up with a game plan that suits our list. In doing so we may become the benchmark side tactically within a year or so (as the Pies were a little while back) ??

Living in hope.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:06 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
I agree, Yarran and Garlett full game up forward makes sense.

Your issue is reshuffling the backline. Take Yarran out, Scotland already gone, Gibbs playing midfield more often (and no certainty to play this week either), your run and carry off half back is decimated.

What do you do to rectify it?

1) Move Gibbs back after one game (you mentioned Malthouse "selling his soul" re: game plan...)
2) Play Laidler there in a role he's not accustomed to?
3) Give Buckley a full game up forward and keep Yarran down back
4) Forfeit
5) .....see 4


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:12 pm 
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Happy now ?


Synbad wrote:
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I suppose Rowe comes in for Hampson. Good tie-in for the Peter Mac cup I guess.

No idea who you'd bring in for Betts. Pity Collins is injured. Wonder if you bring in Laidler, and see if lightning strikes twice with Duigan up forward...

would not surprise me if Dylan Buckley came in this week


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:14 pm 
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the rhino,
cheers mate, didn't realise that about dale, wishful thinking bud,
hoping someone like dale can come in and make the most of he's opportunities,
become a GUN forward/wing, not asking for much at all mate.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:21 pm 
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Reckon he'll come in and do well once the restrictions on rookies get lifted midway through the year. Disappointed they elevated Curnow ahead of him, but get the short term logic of it.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:22 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
I have no idea if the rumours are true that Hammer, Betts & Gibbs will miss this week - but I'll assume the worst case scenerio for the purposes of this (and I'll also assume that we play it safe with Robbo's concussion)....

Walker Jamo Duigan
Bootsma Hendo Tuohy
Lucas Judd Armfield
Simmo Rowe Murphy
Yarran Casboult Garlett

Kreuzer Carrazzo Bell

Inter: AJ, Brock, White
Sub: Buckley

In: Bell, Buckley, Rowe, White
Out: Betts (inj), Gibbs (inj), Hammer (ill), Robbo (inj)

Very hard to see us beating the Pies this week, but particularly without Betts, Gibbs & Robbo.

I don't see Buckley playing a role in the seniors in 2013 other than the occasional cameo as sub, and he may get that chance in Round 2 if Betts is out. Bucks is very small and I am concerned for his welfare (he throws himself in recklessly at times) - he already has a dodgy shoulder - but perhaps playing him early in the year isn't a bad thing. Throwing him in against the Filth at the 'G in front of 90,000 isn't something I feel entirely comfortable with, but with our 'outs' we might need his pace. Sometimes playing a debutant can give the side (and the supporters) a little bit of a lift too. The only other debutant I'd consider this week is Temay - he looks a likely type to me. I wouldn't play both Buckley and Temay at this stage. I'd go with Buckley just because he's got that extra 12 months in the system under his belt.

Curnow or Davies could potentially come in for AJ, depending on match ups. Neither set the world on fire in the VFL last week, so all things being equal I reckon AJ might get another go. If Ellard is fit, perhaps he might even come straight in (although you'd expect him to be too underdone)?

Laidler didn't look right to me on Saturday at Cramer St. I reckon MM will give Duigan one more chance (at least).

I thought long and hard about bringing in Warnock but I decided to go with Rowe & White - both can play at either end (+ Rowe can share the 2nd ruck duties with Casboult and White can play on mediums and talls in defence). I really get the impression that MM doesn't like one position players, so I reckon Warnock is going to be made to really work for a spot in the seniors early in the season. Particularly while our KP spots are so unsettled. Not that I necessarily agree with it.

Hopefully Gibbs & Robbo get up, but if not I think the above team will take the park on Sunday.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:29 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Is Laidler good enough offensively to take over Yarran's role down back?


Couldn't be any worse defensively!!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:01 pm 
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Wouldn't mind seeing laidler on Lynch this week and send Henderson forward.

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I’m stocking up on some Vaseline. I fear the next month is going to hurt, badly.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:24 pm 
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Are people forgetting Tom Bell? So long as Duigan doesn't play I'm happy.


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