AFL pulls plug on Judd's controversial third party deal

Donstuie · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:10 am

Quote:

WHILE he no longer has to worry about the captaincy, having announced on Monday that he would not lead Carlton in 2013, Chris Judd still has the matter of his contentious third-party agreement with Visy to settle.

Judd's bid to have that deal excluded from the salary cap continues this week when the AFL Players Association, angry at the AFL's stance, presents a case on his behalf to the AFL.

The AFLPA has taken charge after discussions between Judd's manager Paul Connors and AFL operations manager Adrian Anderson last week did not break the deadlock. Under grievance rules, the AFLPA had 14 days from that time to present a case. If the AFLPA does not end the impasse, Judd will head to the grievance tribunal, most likely after Christmas.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/v ... z2Eh3lp58X

Meanwhile, this year's premiers are able to pull out an extra $1Mil from their arses.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:20 am

Donstuie wrote:

The road goes ever on and on...

Quote:

WHILE he no longer has to worry about the captaincy, having announced on Monday that he would not lead Carlton in 2013, Chris Judd still has the matter of his contentious third-party agreement with Visy to settle.

Judd's bid to have that deal excluded from the salary cap continues this week when the AFL Players Association, angry at the AFL's stance, presents a case on his behalf to the AFL.

The AFLPA has taken charge after discussions between Judd's manager Paul Connors and AFL operations manager Adrian Anderson last week did not break the deadlock. Under grievance rules, the AFLPA had 14 days from that time to present a case. If the AFLPA does not end the impasse, Judd will head to the grievance tribunal, most likely after Christmas.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/v ... z2Eh3lp58X

Meanwhile, this year's premiers are able to pull out an extra $1Mil from their arses.

They still must find that one million dollars.

Imagine if we had to find an extra mill???

NTBlue · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:42 am

Synbad wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

The road goes ever on and on...

Quote:

WHILE he no longer has to worry about the captaincy, having announced on Monday that he would not lead Carlton in 2013, Chris Judd still has the matter of his contentious third-party agreement with Visy to settle.

Judd's bid to have that deal excluded from the salary cap continues this week when the AFL Players Association, angry at the AFL's stance, presents a case on his behalf to the AFL.

The AFLPA has taken charge after discussions between Judd's manager Paul Connors and AFL operations manager Adrian Anderson last week did not break the deadlock. Under grievance rules, the AFLPA had 14 days from that time to present a case. If the AFLPA does not end the impasse, Judd will head to the grievance tribunal, most likely after Christmas.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/v ... z2Eh3lp58X

Meanwhile, this year's premiers are able to pull out an extra $1Mil from their arses.

They still must find that one million dollars.

Imagine if we had to find an extra mill???

AFL had already given their approval that the Tippett salary fits in Sydneys Salary Cap. They advised Brisbane and GWS that they could not see the full details of Tippetts draft lodgement conditions because the AFL assessed that Tippetts terms could not be met by those clubs. It all smells - what if Lions Players or GWS players were prepared to take a pay cut to fit Tippett in?

camel · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:56 am

Synbad wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

The road goes ever on and on...

Quote:

WHILE he no longer has to worry about the captaincy, having announced on Monday that he would not lead Carlton in 2013, Chris Judd still has the matter of his contentious third-party agreement with Visy to settle.

Judd's bid to have that deal excluded from the salary cap continues this week when the AFL Players Association, angry at the AFL's stance, presents a case on his behalf to the AFL.

The AFLPA has taken charge after discussions between Judd's manager Paul Connors and AFL operations manager Adrian Anderson last week did not break the deadlock. Under grievance rules, the AFLPA had 14 days from that time to present a case. If the AFLPA does not end the impasse, Judd will head to the grievance tribunal, most likely after Christmas.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/v ... z2Eh3lp58X

Meanwhile, this year's premiers are able to pull out an extra $1Mil from their arses.

They still must find that one million dollars.

Imagine if we had to find an extra mill???

Sadly, I can imagine it...

BigKev · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:30 am

Eddie wrote:

The AFL are a joke. I have no problem with them not allowing it to be extended after the initial agreement expired but how can they tick off on it and then change the rules before the agreement ended? The article says that the club were informed on October 22nd, so 2/3 's of the way through the trade period they inform us. Bad luck if we had traded in a new player thinking our salary cap had room.
His manager was radio this morning, not a happy man and says this isnt the end of it. This is one that could be challenged successfully in court. Why can the AFL control who a player works for? It would be no different to my boss telling me i couldnt get a second job.

The first part sums it up for me too Eddie.
I don't mind if they change what's allowed for the next contract, but it's unjust to change the rules after they've given it the ok.
It's reasonable to expect a higher level of competancy from AFL admin now that they're all getting "industry commensurate" renumeration.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:14 pm

BigKev wrote:

Eddie wrote:

The AFL are a joke. I have no problem with them not allowing it to be extended after the initial agreement expired but how can they tick off on it and then change the rules before the agreement ended? The article says that the club were informed on October 22nd, so 2/3 's of the way through the trade period they inform us. Bad luck if we had traded in a new player thinking our salary cap had room.
His manager was radio this morning, not a happy man and says this isnt the end of it. This is one that could be challenged successfully in court. Why can the AFL control who a player works for? It would be no different to my boss telling me i couldnt get a second job.

Stuff always changes
The first part sums it up for me too Eddie.
I don't mind if they change what's allowed for the next contract, but it's unjust to change the rules after they've given it the ok.
It's reasonable to expect a higher level of competancy from AFL admin now that they're all getting "industry commensurate" renumeration.

The rules were for the duration of the contract.
Contract expired...

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10511

NTBlue wrote:

AFL had already given their approval that the Tippett salary fits in Sydneys Salary Cap. They advised Brisbane and GWS that they could not see the full details of Tippetts draft lodgement conditions because the AFL assessed that Tippetts terms could not be met by those clubs. It all smells - what if Lions Players or GWS players were prepared to take a pay cut to fit Tippett in?

Corrupt organisation.

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2644

SurreyBlue wrote:

NTBlue wrote:

AFL had already given their approval that the Tippett salary fits in Sydneys Salary Cap. They advised Brisbane and GWS that they could not see the full details of Tippetts draft lodgement conditions because the AFL assessed that Tippetts terms could not be met by those clubs. It all smells - what if Lions Players or GWS players were prepared to take a pay cut to fit Tippett in?

Corrupt organisation.

If they know every clubs situation and and what conditions clubs can and cannot meet why didn't they catch and sanction us Essendon*, Stkilda and Adelaide before hand?
Why can Sydney meet not only the financial demands of a player and not any other club?
Are third part deals being wound back or only sanctioned for specific clubs and individuals?
Is the salary cap cracking at the seams or is the AFL trying to cover the threat of legality from players and their restriction of trade and earning capacity?
Has this got anything to do with Andersons departure? Not that I mind that bit.

Lace Out · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:30 am

Redback I suspect you are right in that the afl let tippet go to the swans for fear of going to court over restraint of trade and opening up a whole new can of worms.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

Tom Scully earns more than Chris Judd

:screwy:

AGRO · **Posted:** Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:29 pm

Wojee wrote:

Tom Scully earns more than Chris Judd

:screwy:

But the media still call "3rd Party Deals" - "Judd Deals".

:roll:

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:00 pm

There is nothing worse than listening to a persecuted mentality.
One of my pet hates...!!!

Poor juddy... they afl have got in for him and us...

Probably why we dont win flags anymore...

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

Persecution complex or not, don't you think it's weird that a bloke earned more in his third year of football than a dual Brownlow winner who also captained a team to a flag?

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:25 pm

Wojee wrote:

Persecution complex or not, don't you think it's weird that a bloke earned more in his third year of football than a dual Brownlow winner who also captained a team to a flag?

Doesnt matter does it.... when its in the context of winning a flag.

And if you look at Geelong... they are supposedly not paying over 600k for anyone.. and lost their best player.. but they won some flags.

Footy isnt about chris judd or scully....

its about flags....!!!

i dont go to the footy to support chris judd or tom scully... i hope for my footy team to win a flag... and when judd retires.. it will make no difference.... i still want my club to win a flag...

but we are way too chris juddcentric...

board members feathering juddys nest... coaches give it to the champ mentality .. and a club with the face of chris judd

bit like stkilda and harves.. or lockett.. or trevor barker.. whoever..

noone wins a flag on the back of one guy....

we have a salary cap and some players... fix it so theyre all inside and happy..focussed.. and lets win a flag...

they want more.. ???.. trade them.. and move on... and have a bunch of committed footbalers that are hellbent on winning flags

woe is judd.. woe is the carlton footy club... poor juddy... poor us.... afl are too unkind...

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:53 pm

Judd's the last person to have a persecution complex.
It's only in the fevered minds of some supporters

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

Synbad wrote:

Wojee wrote:

Persecution complex or not, don't you think it's weird that a bloke earned more in his third year of football than a dual Brownlow winner who also captained a team to a flag?

Doesnt matter does it.... when its in the context of winning a flag.

And if you look at Geelong... they are supposedly not paying over 600k for anyone.. and lost their best player.. but they won some flags.

Footy isnt about chris judd or scully....

its about flags....!!!

i dont go to the footy to support chris judd or tom scully... i hope for my footy team to win a flag... and when judd retires.. it will make no difference.... i still want my club to win a flag...

but we are way too chris juddcentric...

board members feathering juddys nest... coaches give it to the champ mentality .. and a club with the face of chris judd

bit like stkilda and harves.. or lockett.. or trevor barker.. whoever..

noone wins a flag on the back of one guy....

we have a salary cap and some players... fix it so theyre all inside and happy..focussed.. and lets win a flag...

they want more.. ???.. trade them.. and move on... and have a bunch of committed footbalers that are hellbent on winning flags

woe is judd.. woe is the carlton footy club... poor juddy... poor us.... afl are too unkind...

Lots of words but didn't answer the question.

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:17 pm

Wojee wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Wojee wrote:

Persecution complex or not, don't you think it's weird that a bloke earned more in his third year of football than a dual Brownlow winner who also captained a team to a flag?

Doesnt matter does it.... when its in the context of winning a flag.

And if you look at Geelong... they are supposedly not paying over 600k for anyone.. and lost their best player.. but they won some flags.

Footy isnt about chris judd or scully....

its about flags....!!!

i dont go to the footy to support chris judd or tom scully... i hope for my footy team to win a flag... and when judd retires.. it will make no difference.... i still want my club to win a flag...

but we are way too chris juddcentric...

board members feathering juddys nest... coaches give it to the champ mentality .. and a club with the face of chris judd

bit like stkilda and harves.. or lockett.. or trevor barker.. whoever..

noone wins a flag on the back of one guy....

we have a salary cap and some players... fix it so theyre all inside and happy..focussed.. and lets win a flag...

they want more.. ???.. trade them.. and move on... and have a bunch of committed footbalers that are hellbent on winning flags

woe is judd.. woe is the carlton footy club... poor juddy... poor us.... afl are too unkind...

Lots of words but didn't answer the question.

question is irelevant...

if judd was on x last year... im sure a shit load of players got paid less and performed better.

scully is about the game growing into sydney over the next 50 years....

if u wanna know about consistency.. ask why we need umpires that need to be mind readers.
why the each team doesnt play one another 2 times .
ask why there are short weeks and long weeks for teams and why some clubs travel hundreds of thosands of miles furter than other teams.

why is juddy and scully thing so important to you in the context of an elite sporting competition in this country???

Thats the real question you should be asking yourself..

isnodis...juddy is taking this seriously... he has appealed and has the cfc supporters in his corner...

its very important....

last time he lost money with an investment....someone had to reimburse him...

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:40 pm

you see????

of all the silly questions about this silly game.. you fixatingly want me to answer the one about the silly juddy extra money situation...like its meant to be paramount in its importance.....

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14949

And Ablett was the highest paid AFL player when SPONSORSHIP DEALS were factored in.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

Synbad wrote:

you see????

of all the silly questions about this silly game.. you fixatingly want me to answer the one about the silly juddy extra money situation...like its meant to be paramount in its importance.....

I posted the Scully vs Judd article because I was simply amazed how much Scully was being paid compared to someone with many more runs on the board. You're the one who started going off on a tangent about persecution complexes and how it's not relevant to winning premierships etc etc etc

Perhaps Carlton should pay a 3rd year player $1.8million for a season. Bet you'd think it was worth thinking about then.

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