It was the perfect list for a coach to take on. Loads of potential.
Plenty of young top rated talent at your disposal.
Suggesting the list was a basket case is obviously nonsense.

No excuses. If Ratts succeeds, he'll be have earnt it. If he fails, theres no one else to blame.

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The list was 4-5 years away from being elite level competitive. Which puts us head on with seasons 2012/2013.

I completely agree with your last sentence. Which is why he needs to coach out his contract.

Ratten will coach Carlton in 2013 because Kernahan won't allow his mate to be axed if there's anything other than a clear mandate.

A few weeks back Sticks made all the noises of someone who realized the time had come to do the dirty business but a few wins since then have given both he and his mate breathing space.

Which tells me Kernahan has no great vision or understanding of what's actually required but also says that Ratten stays.

And doesn't mean that Malthouse hasn't been sounded out and agreed to wait to the end of the year but I'm thinking Mick may be thinking he'd hold back from his "won't take over from a contracted coach" stand now.

I'd love for Ratten to be a premiership coach in 2012 or 2013 (or both) but at this stage I just don't see it.

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One thing is for sure. I couldn't imagine a sweeter flag than one with Judd and Ratten there.

I just love the way some of you blokes think in the " Home and Away" type melodramatic scenario about friendships and who is looking after who. These blokes are committed people that will make the best judgement for the footy club.

Just believe that and all your who's up who and who's paying the rent type crap just becomes meaningless

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I love your blind faith but that's an argument for the status quo at every sub par club in the league.

Kernahan's record as an administrator is truly appalling and he would have been axed from every club in the league based on his record (let alone his ineptitude when dealing with the media) but he stays in power at Carlton because he's "reluctant" and a former on field champion who was once the third best (possibly second but ask me after a few beers) centre half forward in our club's history.

Kernahan's loyalty to his old playing days mates is admirable as an ex-player, ex-captain etc but is completely inappropriate for the President of an AFL football club.

And what the @#$%&! is "they are committed people" actually supposed to mean other than being the mating call of a sycophantic rabble who unwaveringly follow the dross that dribbles from the lips of a once great footballer.

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Once again, all just your opinion.

I have said it before, anybody is entitled to have one, but you don't need to know anything to have one.

You say it's all bout intrigue and melodrama.

I disagree

Move on

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"Intrigue and melodrama"?

Where?

What?

WTF?

Kernahan's a poor president and a poor administrator.

No intrigue or melodrama about it.

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Wouldn't say perfect. Half of the list he inherited are out of league or hanging onto the fringes of bottom 8 teams. We had few reliable KPPs and no developing key forwards, virtually all the talent was concentrated in midfield and our depth was poor. I certainly wouldn't call us a basket case at the time Ratts took over as there was talent there but it's hardly a list that screams immediate success either.

How many games did the ones in red miss in 2012 that are the core of the team now? Considering a fair portion of the rest are gone now after they were moved on.

Regards Cazzesman

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How well have we drafted/traded to replace those that moved on?, If below average is that issues with development, drafting or trading? Need to know who was ultimately responsible for such decisions.

How well have/did we develop some names that aren't in red? (Bower, Thornton, Gibbs, Grigg, Austin, Ellard?)

How many of the names in red, are so because of injury mismanagement (Walker, Kruezer, Waite, Jamison?) as well as Duigan and Henderson who have been added since.

Kruezer and Hampson in red....list management decision to then bring in Warnock, and trade out Jacobs for unders (sorry, been done 1,000 times I know)

How well did the players replacing the players in red understand the role and position that they were then asked to play.

.....and that's just scratching the surface.

FWIW, I dont have the answers to any of the above questions, that's for those in charge.

We can all have an opinion. I certainly have mine, as well as a lot of questions I've posed and pondered that I dont think any of us can answer, but being on the outside I cant be sure enough about any of it to passionately try and convince anyone differently.

In fact in about 6 different threads that have covered a combined total of over 200 pages, I've yet to see anyone change their minds no matter how convincing the 'for' or 'against' argument is put forward and at the end of the day considering none of us are making the ultimate decision then it's probably all a lot of hot air for nothing.

And whilst I agree with the injuries excuse/reasoning, it is just ONE aspect of many which needs to be taken into account by those - and not David Parkin, Robert Walls, Synbad, Braithy, The Sole Emoticon etc - that are in the inner sanctum.

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So under Malthouse Collingwood won their last 4 games against us, yet this year under Buckley, Collingwood have failed to beat us (even when we were undermanned in round 15)!

Is that just a coincidence?

If Collingwood don't make a preliminary year this year, it will be the first time since 2008!

Is that just a coincidence?

To be fair, that comment is just your opinion. With a different coach it could have been 3 years......or 10.
The only absolute fact is our current ladder position is no better than 3 years ago.
Hopefully an independent and thorough review will ascertain why.

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No mate, that's not opinion, it's fact.

Kids take time to develop in the AFL. Look at GCFC & GWS ... some great kids and a talented list. But they aren't doing anything for 4-5 seasons. 4 or 5 preseasons under the belt. That is pretty universal AFL knowledge, and not opinion.

Will you say Sheedy & Williams are poor coaches if the GWS aren't successful after 3 seasons?

Look at the teams we were sharing our high drafts with. Essendon*, Melbourne, Richmond and North. We've made more finals and obviously won more finals than all of them combined. We are far superior to all of them, and about level pegging with North if you consider they've had the healthiest/ luckiest run with injuries while we've had among the worst.



I'm guessing it won't be hard. 6 or 7 of our top 10 players missing 4 or more weeks, with the median, 8-weeks out.

No team could withstand that kind of toll, and historically no team has. Hawthorn finished 9th a season after winning a grand final with essentially the same list.

Unfortunately, I think that's exactly the mindset that Bear Gleeson will take into the 'review'. it's the new Carlton way.

Paul Roos’s very methodical and unemotional criteria of how the board should assess Ratten’s position for next year.
Some key points were:
How far up the ladder should we have finished with our best 22?
To assess the team’s performance based on personnel at the coach’s disposal?
If we win the last two games we finish with 13 wins, 1 less than last year.
The board should look at the last five years at a whole.
Factors would be player development, management style, player leadership and the most important is the team better off than when he took over.
The final decision is can he take then to a premiership?
In his view the board will not replace Ratten if it makes a rational assessment on his tenure at the club.

I hope they offer Ratts an extension.

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Sometimes there is no deeper answer or long winded conspiracy.

Look historically -- since the AFL -- at teams with long injury lists for a season. It's inversely proportionate to their success.

Even you gotta admit, if Ratten eeks out 13 wins -- only one less than last year -- with this injury toll, it's far from a shithouse effort deserving of getting the sack over.

C'mon GWS you know that Ratten will be re-appointed by Sticks because "he is there"!

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