Nah mate - you're the confident one that Carlton will fail & wants to put money on it, I am a supporter and back the club. I mentioned no such monetary bets, only you did. But since you did - you have to play with the odds and put your balls on the line or go play in a sandpit kid.

I'll do better than that, I'll give you two.

2011 Gross Revenue:
Of the 14 clubs who have released their figures, Carlton sits 7th. That's 7th out of 14, which is the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION OF MEDIOCRE.


2011 Sponsorship & Marketing Revenue:
Of the 14 clubs who have released their figures, Carlton sits 7th. Out of 14. Which once again, is TEXTBOOK MEDIOCRITY.

These are numbers, facts, that you can believe in. You can fudge profit/loss statements all you like, but you can't fudge total revenue numbers. When it comes to bringing in the business, our club is mediocre.

That would be four grand final appearances.

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I would have thought that 7th would be slap bang average???

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I was here long before you and I'll be here long after your contract with the club to spout this rubbish ends.

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were Adelaide , Westcoast and Freo part of the 14 because you cannot compare with interstate clubs
Compare with melbourne clubs and we were probably 3rd or 4th out of 10

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Where Carlton sits today could be seen three years ago. Growth rates in every single key metric is more important. If you submit a report stating Carlton is 7th and mediocre a more refined mind would say, so what? Question you need to ask, is 10% growth good enough, absolutely but could be much better and it will be better only based on preliminaries and GF appearances.

Adelaide and West Coast were. Freo wasn't.

Of reported Vic clubs, we were 5th of 10 and 6th of 10 respectively.

Mediocre.

Sorry, but is that a serious comment?

You're not trying to tell me that mediocre means something different to middle-of-the-road, in the middle, average, neither great nor poor... are you?

Do you have your own definition of mediocre? I know some sports commentators think mediocre means terribly poor, but that's not what it means at all. It means neither great nor poor... just somewhere in the middle. Mediocrity. That's us.

Without preliminaries and GF appearances - 10% growth rate can certainly deteriorate fast, no doubt. For now though until 2013 annual at least as new pub acquisitions will be fully factored in the clubs revenue streams growth rates will continue to look good consistent at 10%.

John if you describe a movie as being mediocre what would you be stating? I would say that poor or below average also fits in.

Was your comment a serious comment?

Would you allow a mediocre doctor to operate on you? Or would you prefer one that is 'average'

ouch, I've read the word too much and now it looks wrong.

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I swear this guy is the anti-synbad. Exact same posting style - just the polar opposite message.

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This guy is beyond belief. He (or rather it) engages you in debate. When you answer its question, it compeletely ignores it and engages someone else in debate. It jumps around all over the shop. It posts non sequitors. It doesn't use the quote function (after being told repeatedly) forcing you to scroll back and forth if you want to follow the debate.

I know it looks like an idiot, sounds like an idiot, argues like an idiot, but don't let that fool you (thanks Groucho), it isn't. This is well thought out. This is a campaign to neutralise concerned supporters. It's never been more obvious to me than now.

Those of you engaging in providing facts or exchanging "opinions" are playing right into its game.

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Jesus.

Look, I'm not going to argue with you over this. The Macquarie dictionary defines Mediocre as "neither good nor bad; ordinary. [F, from L: in a middle state]"

Now if you want to create your own (incorrect) definition of a word that's been around for donkey's years, go for it. Just know that your definition is actually WRONG.

you just exchanged an opinion

Who is orchestrating the campaign?

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Agree John M mediocre is middle of the road ie ending up 9th in a competition of 18 like we are going to at the end of the season
In any estimation/objective benchmark off the field we are mediocre

Agree with Doc (good posts )love Sticks but need someone with wider skills than a former footballer as President .
Which other club has a former footballer as a president in 2012 as opposed to an astute businessman/ mover and shaker -WE ARE STUCK IN THE 1960 with this arrangement
Even GWS has as its Chairman the chairman of the business council

We also never vote on board members and they dont cast wide enough for board members but seem to go to their own little cliche ie those who have chucked some money in over the journey - I know a few very capable people who bleed carlton but never have been approached for example Andy Penn ex CEO of AXA APH and now CFO of Telstra who would buy and sell most if not all the board in terms of commercial and strategic acumen is one such person

Why havent they been approached they may so no but who cares

I proposed to them over 5 years ago to have an advisory group to the board of a number of young up and coming business men who could be a sounding board to the board and who could ultimately be potential board members for the future - ie they get some experience with the club show their bona fides and you have a pool of talent to access for your board members in the future

Hawthorn do this and I think their new president went through this process - Hawthorn have been doing this for years

Eddie who I despise got Mark Korda on the board at Collingwood when he had dealings with him in a professional capacity - where is our Mark Korda - he wouldnt have been chosen because he doesnt or isnt part of the cliche

The Pratts have done a lot for the club and they should be thanked but the club isnt their plaything - they should face the members like anyone else

Always thought Dick Pratt should have been voted in by the members - would have been endorsed by the members in any case

Talking about paranoia. Yeah I ignore plenty in here, as I am sure plenty ignore me. I choose the conversations I want to engage in. When board sacking come about I only deal with facts. I bring logic to your delusions as signified in your post.

sorry John, didn't mean to be a pain in the arse. I'm feeling medicore today, you know cold symptons etc.

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