Yep, you're right.

Until we see B Heart, G N Determination and M Effort in the side we won't be going anywhere.

Injuries? Wowee.

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With so many key players out and back up players having no structure to play with & lost in conjuction of losing confidence at rate of knots, the realities are we won't win many games.

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Quite wet out today.

So who had a great nights sleep last night?
I'm still soooo upset, wish it was a nightmare!!

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who cares about how many players were out and who they are. you can still run, tackle and chase when you don't have the ball. this has been lacking for weeks now.

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That's probably correct. But we shouldn't be losing in the manner that we are; the GWS and Melbourne wins were more good fortune than a result of hard work.

You don't need to be 6'6" and 100kg or a potential Brownlow medalist to have a fair dinkum crack. For the overwhelming majority of this season we have not had even a basic level of fight or desire for the contest, let alone being harder at it than the opposition. If anything our intensity and determination is getting worse, not better.

The club from all aspects were talking up our chances at the start of the year. We have failed to meet expectation miserably. The fans, and probably more importantly the players, deserve honest answers not excuses about injuries or stats. Those things should assist in delivering outcomes, not drive them.

If we everyone in the club was on the same page and genuinely believed we had a chance to win a flag this year then all the players would be busting a gut to minimise the damage while our injured players are missing. Instead, their coach is giving them excuses for losing (see post-match presser).

It is just not good enough.

We have had mental deficiencies for years now, not weeks. Is that being addressed, or continually excused?

Unfortunately, that appears to be a very easy question to answer.

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Agree with this...was a spiritless performance by us. The Adelaide loss was aswell, but that was against a top side. Reality is we got done by a bottom team last night by 9 goals.

Don't think I've ever seen a game where 2 teams abilities to handle the wet were so far apart. We were rubbish.

No point debating whether it's the coach or the list. It's both

Bizarrely enough, I actually felt quite numb to it all.

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THIS.

I've had that feeling for a while, but always assumed being just a supporter I was obviously missing something. Now I'm not so sure.

Probably time to kill a few Bambi's now.

Sure is post match vomit, it was like watching a car crash .... what a f*cking joke of a performance.

I look across the team and I am not exciting by any players anymore. We are in as bad a slump as you could possibly imagine.

I think the buck stops with the coach and if he can't get them "up" for games and give it there all, I don't know if Ratts is the best man for the job anymore.

I'm unbelievably crushed and in total disbelief with this garbage!

Of course, I am not disputing anything you posted, in fact I agree. The squad has weaknesses..which squad doesn't.

I don't like the manner we are losing either but it seems on both occassions we got blown out of the water it was more a matter of structure and players losing confidence in-game to the point where players confidence was abysmal.

Not too overly sure where the blame can go here..if there were 2-3 players out then it would be a coach issue as most structures would be in place... having 7-8 players out and add to that key players in starting line up are dreafully out of form..I am just saying happy to wait and see how this pans out in the weeks to come as key players return.

If the players are unable to learn anything from the past month then they are either not taught properly or are stupid, if we are in the same state round 22 then grid the axe.

I think this is rock bottom but need 2-3 key players back at least, so support players can play with some structure instead of free falling confidence during the game.

Case in point is Gibbs 53% disposal efficiency - its a confidence thing..it has been shamoozled.

Ok - if we were smart right now, this week - we would bring in either Malthouse, Roos or someone as "director" of coaching.
The person that overseas the coaching group might not only help them today but also help us tomorrow (next year), if needed.
All I know is that this morning - I want change and I haven't for years but this isn't good enough and is getting us nowhere.
Yep I conceed (you were right Synbad) but we have no other option now.

When Ratten first took on the coaching role he was surrounded by novices are tried to do it all himself . It clearly wasnt working so they brought in a bunch of more experienced coaches and Ratts delegated some of his responsibilites

Problem is now is who is running the show . The assistant appear more senoir than the head coach. When it was match day Ratts was on the boundary and offering advice whilst someone was in the box making all the moves .
Come the Essendon* game the person in charge up in the box didnt react when carrotts went down they thought Robbo on fletcher was better for us than getting him to smash into Watson or Stanton

Freo was just bloody win it and thats what they did against a team struggling to come to terms with Ross Lyons game plan

GWS was ugly again but a rocket up the arse got the players moving and ability alone got us home

Saints game was travelling ok until 5 minutes into the second quarter after half time Ratten could see it un ravelling and took himself back to the box Where he has been ever since

So we have lost the sideline mentoring
We now have further interference in the box and a dysfunctional selection and match committee . We have started throwing players all over the park we took to long to bring in Maclean and worst of all we have the worst forward structure and set up in the comp

Our key target best game ever 9 marks 9 kicks
We have three indigenous boys who are hot and cold and lately more cold

We have played Touhy and. Curnow when their form has been terrible
We drop a bloke after kicking 3 goals

This would have to be the biggest unravelling of football team I have seen since Pagan took over

Maybe they have reassessed maybe externally saying top 4 maybe internally they are saying we stuffed it we drafted and traded wrong , maybe they can see where they are lacking

But I doubt it

I think players want out and that has what has destablised the group
I think Lucas Gibbs and Yarren Warnock want to move on
Which is a reflection of the recruiting and club management

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I haven't seen such a crash since the twin towers went down. It's a disaster!
What now worries me, and maybe I was deluded previously, is that leadership is non-existent.

The tank starts....?? Such a good draft by all reports. I called it last year that we needed to draft midfielders in preparation for the post-Judd-Simpson-Scotland-Carrazzo era. We drafted @#$%&! all midfielders last year!!!

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

That's half the problem - half the leadership group is out injured and other 75% are out of form..

Don't start me off Wangers.

And you back it up well too bluebeard.

Thanks for putting it so succinctly.

The players you listed, are the same as those I jotted down on paper throughout the game...and the rest of them....not up to the mark....WTF is going on with Simmo????

Time for a change.

First time I will say this...Pies will win today and win well.
We wil be 2 games plus percentage behind 4th position.
After the next 3 games we may be 3-4 games behind 4th spot.


Forget Top 4. Lets just make the 8.

Then at the end of the year (Sticks wont sack Ratts during the season) we can clear the decks, and put a broom through the place.

But who the @#$%&! is going to lead this club as President with clear direction and high professional standards? Are there any candidates who bleed Navy Blue?

Furthermore, what is Richardson doing? Setting up Ratts for failure? buying time to get the call up?
What's Williams doing with the mids? Who is responsible for making our players strong enough to compete at the highest level?
Is Ratts an inclusive type or a dictatorial type and doesn't hear the other line coaches? AFAIC, Ratts doesn't instill more confidence in this era than Pagan did in the previous.

I don't know what the problem is, but I do know it is staring at us in the face.

I have to agree with you Bluebeard. The taste is sour after the sugar coating disolved.
I apologise for defending Ratts, the Admin, the coaching team who got us in this mess.
I really believe in the list and the players, but those who are steering this I have given too much cudos.

It's a mes allright....NO SPIRIT....key words!!!

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Port Adelaide is a perfect example that things can change pretty quickly in football, eg. look at them four weeks ago.

Trouble is we've been soft, mentally and physically, for too long this season without showing genuine signs of improvement, just the odd glimpse here and there.

There's still half a season left, so the optimist in me says we can turn this around and come good. But, right now, the realist in me is in stitches, pissing himself laughing at me.

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