here is one for you mister c.

in what area does this club excel in?

in what area of the club are we doing something better than average?

cos if you cannot answer this all we need to do is recruit people who are better than average!

which should not be a herculean feat in itself!


compare us to the crows the eagles the magpies and the bombers!

how are we travelling for initiative in any areas of our organisation?

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Since 2002 it has excelled at dissappointing its members and supporters

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Doc, you seem to know a lot about the club and it's inner workings, however I find it infuriating that you keep talking around what you actually think is wrong. Can you please be more direct. From recent posts it seems you are saying

a) Ratt's has less power than other coaches, what coaches? How can that be?, how are his hands tied?.
b) Judd has a disproportionate level of influence when it comes to stoppage strategy. How? and why would a senior coach allow this to happen.?
c) The admin is not fully behind Ratt's. How does this manifest itself? It appears from the outside he's been given everything a coach could want in a facilities and support staff sense.

Please don't come back with obscure references to people to people having undue influence.

A few months ago you had a beef about the admin and the running of the club and went into self imposed exile and you did the same thing then.

Just say what you want to say, surely you cant be worried what the club thinks, they must know already.

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Doc. You've said in this thread that malthouse is retired so he won't come and that he would cause more problems then he is worth.

Can you elaborate?.

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let Mr c answer this!

he is OK potting me but must come up with a genuine answer about why he is.
let him search deep within himself and have a real reason why people who are genuinely concerned about the road this club has taken over a long period of time.

he cannot hide his reasons why we should not be concerned.

he like everybody else involved with the club must show some accountability on why they know it's all going well!

I am looking forward to his answer as it might help me understand the plan better!

muddying the waters by asking me to give names who can do a better job that average is not what I am looking for.

because. ..........many people can do better than average and I shouldn't have to name them!

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After having a few days to cool down, here are my 5 cents:

- I have been in the pro-Ratten camp for years, but have turned a bit on him. The reason I supported him was that clubs with sustained success have been building and improved over a number of years: e.g. Geelong, C'wood etc. We were improving and I rather have a longer period of success than the one flash in a pan premiership like the Hawks.

- It seems to me that Ratts does not get the best out of our list and thats a real problem. Lets however not forget that its too easy just to focus on the coach. List management, recruiting and player development are crucial hallmarks of successful clubs. I think we are far from elite in this area. So I do agree with Sinners that ideally the whole operation should be reviewed.

- IMO the coach is mainly a people manager. You can hire good tacticians and technical coaches to support the coach. The Bummers have a good mix with Hird being a very good manager and Bomber being the tactical man. Look at the Crows how much the management of your players can turn things around. But its very complicated, small things can make a big difference. See how Wet Toast turned it in one season with the same coach.

- Also, what works at one club does not have to work at another. Look at Melbourne. I think that the coach could have been very good at a club like ours with his focus on discipline and structure, but at Melbourne it completely backfired. It's the same as with companies, I have seen so many people coming in with great records at one company but failing at another. We are talking about humans and no one has the magic wand.

- I think we have some very good assistant coaches. We do seem to have an inability to perform to the maximum and adhere to instructions and weakness' in our game plan. Malthouse said on the week-end that he would not focus on changing everything but to do what we do much better (yes motherhood, but true).

- There is a big risk that changing coach might not work. There might be other areas in the club that need changing more. If you are not in the guts of it, you don't know.

- A possible short term solution might be to help Ratts on the management side. Maybe hire Malthouse as a mentor, a bit like Bomber and Hird?

- But I agree that someone needs to take a good hard look at the whole club. Our 2nd and 3rd round draft picks have been bad. Our player development seem to be crap. I again ask, how can Grigg be such a dud at our club and a good player (who we really could use right now) at the Tigers?

Finally, could people be a bit nicer to each other here? We all love the club - no need to be so vicious towards each other. I have had a couple of "interesting" years (see my avatar) and gained some perspective on live and the shortness of it. It costs nothing to be respectful and kind.

Thats my 5.

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there is a great movie about club culture called ‘damned united‘!
everybody should watch it!

its about club cultures. sub club cultures, visionaries, failure, success and so on.
it highlights the complexities of what goes on in footy clubs and how if you don't stay ontop of it how easily things can go belly up.
clubs are Leeds united. Derby county. Nottingham forest. Derby management. Leeds management. coach in this care Brian clough and the mix with assistant coaches and recruiting!
supporters and expectations
also money!! !!!!


one question I ask is this!

is this club as financially secure as we have been led to believe?

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We haven't had many second or third round draft picks.

With our lower draft picks, we've probably stuck a bit too too literally to the 'best available' mantra and have consequently been of the 'man-child' variety and they don't develop.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Grigg hasn't improved. He just wanted a soft run because Ratten wouldn't kiss his arse and tell him it was powdered sugar.

We went for best available and needs with our second and third round picks.

oh and the movie touches on ambition!
blind ambition
innovative ambition
and ambition realised and dumbfounded ambition.

excellent movie!

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Yes, a very good movie based on facts. Brian Clough had great success at Derby and completely failed at Leeds. Shows how complex these issues are. That is why we should focus less on Ratts and more on if we have the right people and structures in place at the club. But to do this without imploding you need a respected heavy weight at the top like Pratt or Fox etc. And we do not have that.

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And if you got your review and the review supported President and Coach would you except it gracefully and stop the King Kong act?

I doubt it because it's simply not in your nature.

All the excuses would come out.................The review was flawed. The reviewers were paid off. The reviewers weren't truly independent because a cousin of the Reviewer 4 times removed knew the boot studders cousin etc etc. I could write the script now if you weren't happy with the result.

Keep it simple then, who should do the great review? What background should they have?

Regards Cazzesman

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they had those people at Leeds at the top in the mid seventies!
what they had become was a club so overfed with success that they thought things would just happen.

smaller hungrier clubs swallowed Leeds united up in history!

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Oh, and this is why I was so negative towards the "5 year strategic plan" power point the club put up last year. I have been involved 30 years in the corporate world and these "plans" are always a sorry excuse for a lack of leadership and real understanding of the issues.

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mister c.

the afl take care of the reviewers!

you might not trust the afl to hold a review of the club but it did not worry Frank Costa or Brian cook!

let the review begin!

you sound very worried about it so prefer for one not to proceed!

accountability is paramount!

you also sound very positive about the club continuing on as it is!

right?

but name me one thing we are the envy me the competition in

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OK no the review I see you're not a fan because someone might be related to someone and might sabotage the review!

are you listening to what you are saying?

you are saying the review might influence the decisions this club makes about jobs for the boys and corruption within the club!

taking away your paranoia about the actual review for a minute you are saying that the club might be incapable of allowing itself to be reviewed independenty because the investigators might be gotten at?

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Question i ask myself has the club improved under Ratten? in terms of membership, tv viewers, match day attendences, attractive attacking game plan etc...
Answer has to be an unequivocal YES. Although last three weeks has been unacceptable; team form is fickle and i have no doubt Ratten has the ability to get this team back on track.
Another loss like last week would get me extremely upset!!! But i tend to think last month has been a form and confidence issue.
I have no doubt the club is moving in the right direction; ALL our newbie power forwards have been unlucky with injuries.
Essendon* beat us without Carrots out very early and Laidler on one leg , totally smashed our rotations. and didnt blow us out of the water.
Then went downhill for the next three.. i have utmost faith in the ability and maturity of the squad to change its fortunes.
Confident Murphy will be back in 10'ish weeks providing its a clean heal with no other complication which will give him 3-4 games before the finals.
Also confident one of our young power forward will come good..
Remember people - for the Blues; home and away season is a dress rehearsal for the finals!!

Great film, but if I'm taking anything out of it:

* - Clough was nothing without Peter Taylor
* - Derby to Leeds for Clough is probably no different to Collingwood/Richmond to Carlton for Malthouse....

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yes but he won two European championshp cups at Nottingham forest.

he didn't work at Leeds because of the club culture!

Leeds had became a relic!

club thought it can pay for a name but ultimately didn't have anything else in place to cornerstone the next chapter!

a small club like Nottingham forest obviously were ambitious enough to do so.

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* He has a 'we work as a team, and do it my way' mantra. Ask Simon Lloyd or Nathan Buckley.

* He brings with him Peter Sidwell. His manager detests Carlton.

* I have an aversion to hiring Richmond and Collingwood people. We did it in 1929 with Dan Minogue. From the George Harris era it should probably have been written into the clubs constitution.