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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:28 pm 
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Smallman wrote:
Looks like the team proper has been named, looks unchanged. Watching AFL teams and this is what they have.

White, Jamison, Carrots
Duigan, Laidler, Russell
Scottland, Juddy, Yaz
Eddie, Waite, Simo
Hampson, Hendo, Garlett
Warnock, Murph, Gibbs
int: Curnow, Walks, Collins, Robbo
Emg: Ellard, Army, Lucas

I have a gut feeling Collins will be the Emergency. Won't be Walker again, they won't want to lose his match fitness. I am very surprised Collins gets another gig. I hope he improves. I think T bird must be pretty filthy right now. Was good against Collingwood but who do you drop for him? Hendo needs time to find his feet once more. Eddie will come good, just hope it is this week.


Teams wont be release until 5:00pm tomorrow looks like they just put last week team up. There will be change


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:31 pm 
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blueboy8 wrote:
Teams wont be release until 5:00pm tomorrow looks like they just put last week team up. There will be change


Thanks for the heads up. :smile:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:27 am 
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The difference is Dean Cox and co actually had football potential, they just needed to fill there bodies out more. Hampson is virtually the opposite. He has a body most 23 year old ruckman would envy but he only has athletic potential - maybe high jump? He does not know how to play football. he is an OK ruckman but Warnock and Kreuze are well ahead. He is hopeless around teh ground, can;t mark, can't kick, doesn't find position, can't defend. Warnock and Kreuze are great at these things. I'd much prefer O'hailpin, Waite or Hendo pinch hitting in teh ruck and playing forward this year until Kreuze comes back rather than Spud Hampson...

I agree with the poster re: Courtney Johns at Essendon*. So much "potential" and he did nothing... Hampson is the same. Time to make way for a real footballer...

But I will congratulate Hampson on snaring Megan Gale. That is his highest quality possession...

Did you even watch the game?
Or do you only focus on the negatives like Russell before he stepped up?

I love that Hampson is seen as trade bait and a spud, yet the media and fans push Majak Daw up.

Hampson would take him apart.


You think Hampson played well against Essendon*???

And are you referring to a streetfight when you say "take him apart?" Anyway, how did Majak Daw even come into this? I don't care about North players!

Russell has come great, yes I agree (although he could step up a bit more this year but I'm sure it will come), but Hampson IMO will not come good. Were you this positve about Ian Prendergast, Trent Sporn and co??!! Good for you


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:43 am 
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Betts shouldn't be judged on last 2 weeks alone, but what he's provided us in big games over the last few years. And that is why he should be DROPPED & left down at the bullants for a month - minimum. His finals efforts in 2009 against brisbane & 2010 against sydney were awful. And I cannot remember the last time he's played well in a big game when we were desperate for a win. Perhaps saints and cats games were solid, but since then & in the back 1/3 of season in 2009, he's been ordinary.

He spends most of his time, standing in the forward line pointing his finger at where other team-mates should run, but does very little pro-active running himself, particularly at stoppages. The fact that he's in his 7th season now & is not being rotated through the midfiled, says it all in my opinion. He's not prepared to get himself in the necessary shape, body/fitness wise to be an AFL player, & it's now catching up with him. IF Ratten can't apprecaite this & do something about it, ie, drop him, then that has me extremely worried.

What also disappoints me is Betts history suggests that if he plays long enough, he'll strike some form & kick a few, soon enough, but most likely against teams outside the top 8. And when we need him to stand up when it counts, he'll let the club down.



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:54 am 
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Re: Hampson, I have a lot of hope for him as a ruck man but I have strong issues with him up forward, just doesn't have the smarts or the clean hands to fill the role. Unfortunately with the new bench flexibility and each players ability to contribute consistently are now vital. If Kruezer was fit and firing Hampson wouldn't be in. Kruezer will fill FF whilst relieving Warnock. Until then I would be going with either Thornton, Henderson or Setanta as back up rucks who play fwd.

Our ability to get the most out of each player and have them contribute is now more vital than ever. Rattens need to carry players like Betts, Hampson, Walker, Carrazzo, Russell week in week out cannot continue. More than ever players need to be picked on FORM. With our 2s undefeated and guys like Ellard, Lucas, Thornton, Setanta, AJ, Touhy, Bower, Armfield, Watson, McLean all playing well changes have to happen. This is even more needed given our lack of bulk around the ball and the poor ball use of some of these guys.

Personally I would go with this:

Armfield Jamison Laidler
Yarran Bower Duigan Gibbs
Warnock Judd Murphy Simpson Curnow Lucas
Garlett Henderson Waite
Ellard Thornton

Russell Robinson McLean (Walker/Scotland)


Better kicking side with genuine ball winners. McLean, although I am not convinced, needs to play. His size around stoppages is needed and with Ellard and Curnow should release Judd, Gibbs & Murphy. He also has great endurance and will not fatigue as quick as others. Russell should play mid as well as his size will help and the freedom he will get should help him. Fwd line has options and variety and is less predictable and tougher to match up on. Better run and carry from defence and better ball use. All our small/midsize players can rotate through different positions thus creating less fatigue and more options.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:17 am 
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jimmae wrote:
...throwing in 190 - 193 cms players in to handle blokes in the 198 - 203 cms range is probably hurting us more than loading up on a runner or two to aid the midfield and run out of defence...


Totally agree with this comment jimmae. It has been our achilles heal for some years now.
Sure we've done well to recruit Watson to fill this hole, but he's still a novice with an immature (albeit strong) body.

Can't wait for this game. Gotta win it!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:42 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
...throwing in 190 - 193 cms players in to handle blokes in the 198 - 203 cms range is probably hurting us more than loading up on a runner or two to aid the midfield and run out of defence...


Totally agree with this comment jimmae. It has been our achilles heal for some years now.
Sure we've done well to recruit Watson to fill this hole, but he's still a novice with an immature (albeit strong) body.

Can't wait for this game. Gotta win it!!!!


And if we don't pick said 190-193cm players (seeing as we don't have any other taller players not named Watson, and it would seem strange to rush him back), our options if Tippett or Walker run amock is to change our structure up forward and send Waite or Henderson back.

I dare say it's more important to keep structures in tact by sticking with a contingency plan, than worry about height differences. White did alright on Hurley last week....

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:00 am 
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We are more than a developing team in 2011.
We are playing for a top 4 spot and winning finals.
To do that we need to pick players in form.

IMO, we are carrying Betts, Collins, Henderson, Hampson, and players like Russell, Carrazzo and Laidler also need to lift.
We can't go in with 1 ruckman and whilst Kreuzer is out and there is no Jacobs anymore we have to play Hammer imo.
Hammer is good in the ruck, and yes I expect more of him around the ground, but beggars can't be choosers.
I am not a fan of the short ruckman...often referred to as the pinch hitter. They are lucky to get a nail on the ball let alone a pinch.
So carrying Hampson when in the forwardline is an issue, I think carrying more than one player is playing Russian Roulette, and with Betts at Hammers feet in the forwardline....well that aint gonna work whilst Betts isn't firing, but Garlett at Hammers feet would....because he's in good form.

I was super critical of Betts in 2009, and he made me eat my words in 2010...but that was moreso the first half of 2010. He is shit atm.
He needs to be dropped and he needs to find the desire to play senior football imo. If he's not dropped, he'll continue to shit on us as he did in 2009, such is the form of the guy. I hope I'm wrong about Betts, because he did show some great signs against cellar dweller Tigers.

No passengers please.

I want Armfield and Bower back in the team if fit (and of course Kreuzer).

I am worried about our short backline having to man up on gigantic Crows forwards, hence the need for Bower.
People have to remember that Duigan and Laidler are not KP backs, and shouldn't have to play that role.
Hence the need for Bower (and a 2012 version of Watson).

Midfield defensive pressure should get us over the line. I don't think McLean has the pace to offer that quality. I prefer Ellard to McLean and would welcome him to the side if the MC thought that way.

Pick the team in form and let the out of form players find their form in the Ants.
This year we play for keeps; aren't we?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:10 am 
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The Rhino wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
...throwing in 190 - 193 cms players in to handle blokes in the 198 - 203 cms range is probably hurting us more than loading up on a runner or two to aid the midfield and run out of defence...


Totally agree with this comment jimmae. It has been our achilles heal for some years now.
Sure we've done well to recruit Watson to fill this hole, but he's still a novice with an immature (albeit strong) body.

Can't wait for this game. Gotta win it!!!!


And if we don't pick said 190-193cm players (seeing as we don't have any other taller players not named Watson, and it would seem strange to rush him back), our options if Tippett or Walker run amock is to change our structure up forward and send Waite or Henderson back.

I dare say it's more important to keep structures in tact by sticking with a contingency plan, than worry about height differences. White did alright on Hurley last week....


We haven't got the armoury to defend against the 200cm Tippett; certainly not White or Jamson, or Bower...they're all too short.
Nevertheless, it's still our achilles heal till Watson matures....or Setanta makes the grade as a CHB (waiting waiting)

I agree Rhino, we do have Waite and Hendo to play KP back. Rob Peter to pay Paul, but we at least we stick to sound structures.
Beggars can't be choosers, we just have to deploy the best structure we can against all opponents. That's life.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:19 am 
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Tippet is no stronger than Dawes or Cloke.

I would say the decision to keep Betts in the team is a brave one. The downside for Ratts is huge.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:26 am 
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Ryder and Hurley have been in better form than Walker and Tippet,
prior to last week when Jamo and White pantsed them.
Bower will probably come in, but our backline isn't the worry. If our mids do their job, and a couple of the forwardline passengers pull their fingers out, this should be a comfortable win.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:38 pm 
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Eduardo is simply on the downward spiral. Can't see him playing AFL next year, unless GWS or GC want an experienced player.

The Filth made the hard call on Neon, and it probably helped them win the flag. He's back now, but will rarely play up forward. We need to make a similar call on Betts.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:43 pm 
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MIL wrote:
Eduardo is simply on the downward spiral. Can't see him playing AFL next year, unless GWS or GC want an experienced player.

Lets off load Betts and use that pick to get that rising star Jaryd Blair who is leading Collingwood's goal kicking.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:11 pm 
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Jeez I think we're going a bit overboard with some calls on Betts here.

Like a lot of players at some point in their career, he needs a kick in the arse and some time in the ressies to show him minimum requirements to play senior footy (hello NDS). If Ratts is talking tackling in the forward line then go ahead and drop him for Armfield.

I would much rather Betts be dropped than Walker, which is what I fear will happen.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:18 pm 
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The decision to sign a play like betts for three years at the start of last year just smacks of absolute short sightedness.

I said at the time that he had a little bit of value at the trade table- his performances this season (especially in big games) indicate that value might have dropped away.

We simply need to get smarter off the field. Premiership clubs never make such sloppy decisions. We already have the sad story of the lost #11 pick to add to our recent off field foibles.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:32 pm 
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Betts was signed to a three year deal mid July last year. The 2010 season was virtually over.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:45 pm 
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Jeez I think we're going a bit overboard with some calls on Betts here.

Like a lot of players at some point in their career, he needs a kick in the arse and some time in the ressies to show him minimum requirements to play senior footy (hello NDS). If Ratts is talking tackling in the forward line then go ahead and drop him for Armfield.

I would much rather Betts be dropped than Walker, which is what I fear will happen.


Hear, hear.

I'd like to see Betts have a spell to find some form, but not be drummed out of the club.
Whilst he's not playing at his best and needs a tune up in the twos, even more important
,IMO, is sending the message to the Ants players that good form will be rewarded with a
chance at senior level.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:03 pm 
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Maybe the Weagles suported from Tassie works for The Age? Or maybe they are just incompetent :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:04 pm 
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Smurph wrote:
You think Hampson played well against Essendon*???

And are you referring to a streetfight when you say "take him apart?" Anyway, how did Majak Daw even come into this? I don't care about North players!

Russell has come great, yes I agree (although he could step up a bit more this year but I'm sure it will come), but Hampson IMO will not come good. Were you this positve about Ian Prendergast, Trent Sporn and co??!! Good for you


Hampson played ok against Essendon* - not great but not horrible either. Did a couple of nice things (mark in backline, contested possession down low and handball fired out to mids etc.

He definitely needs to do a lot more though I'm still optimistic that such things will come in time.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:24 pm 
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Betts being contracted to us, only improves his trade value


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