Hang on, are you saying Gibbs beat Goodes? Are you saying he curbed his influence? Because the game was there to be won and Gibbs wasn't stopping Goodes anyway.

If Goodes moved forward I'd have given Bower the job and when he played midfield you get Carrazzo to run with him and then work off him. There would also be the option of getting an Ellard to stick with him if we wanted Carrazzo to freewheel and do damage like he did. Either way, after two and a bit quarters of limited success, surely the option was there to pull Gibbs off him and let Bryce set up the win? Like I said, stupid dumbass coaching.

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24 hours on am still devastated.
So many if only's, if only Betts had marked the ball late in the 3rd qrt, if only Judd had kicked the goal in the 3rd qrt. If only the siren for 3/4 time had gone 10 seconds later and Robinson's goal would count. If only we hadnt started so slowly. If only Waite kicked that goal early in the 4th qrt. If only Hendo had taken that mark in the goal square. If only Armfield didnt get caught in the goal square. IF ONLY.

I know what about AJ getting smacked in the mouth and the ump calling play on for the Sydney goal or Waite getting penalised for a soft fend off down the ground which cost us another goal. So many flower things transpired against us, it's a wonder we were within a goal at the end.

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Got back home this afternoon. Just a couple of things. Can we work on positioning a player/players on the defensive side of a ball up in our backline?
Opposition coaches know we are suspect in the last 5 mins of quarters and plan their attack for this period.
Is Mc Burney only consigned to Carlton matches? That`s 3 in a row i think. He must have umpired us more than any other team during his career.
Swans fans are flogs.
My mate took control of the speaker at Central Station and gave a great rendition of "We are the Navy Blues".

Where did he say that he blamed the umpires for the loss?

The game was there for the taking and we choked, so we only have ourselves to blame, but to think anything other than the fact we got raped by the maggots in the 1st quarter in particular is lunacy!

Taff - you can all you like but that was some of the most rediculous umpiring I have ever seen in a quarter and a half of football, even worse that the scum game which is saying something. As I said, it didn't change the result of the game, but why put your head in the sand and pretend it didn't happen?

It was either of 2 things:

1) The umpires were deliberately favouring the Swines in every 50/50 call, or
2) The umpires were too easily influenced by the home crowd and crumbled under pressure.

Either way the umpires should be dropped this week if the AFL had any integrity.

However, as we know the umpiring fraternity and the Geish are a protected species and no one is allowed to say anything negative or they will be heavily sanctioned by the AFL.

That's where a big, fat is well and truly deserved.

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Yep, that and the Mumford dropping the ball non decision were staggering. Agree with you also regarding Gibbs on Goodes. Just had to make the move.

Goodes is a freak...a superstar....mobile...a gutrunner; and can take a pack mark and kick goals.

I'd hate to be the one picked to play on him.

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Rich killed us in the final quarter last year and we watched....................i cannot believe nobody had noticed,but this year it was Kenneally..............Kenneally was charging in that last quarter.He continually charged through the guts.We were on top in the first ten minutes of the last quarter with out putting them away.You new the momentum would shift and had to prepare your self.You gotta sense danger.Gut instinct,you could feel it................Kenneally is renown for this.Cant believe he was allowed to rampage unchecked..............i've been dead against Ratts getting Laidley on board,but after yesterday im might change my mind...........seriously,i just dont think Ratts has a feel or instinct for subtle momentum shifts or imminent danger just around the corner.

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He should have tried to resist the temptation of playing Gibbs on Goodes. Why? For all the reasons mentioned above

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Tex was giving a tagging role on Kenneally at Full Forward and spent a lot of time and energy in the goal square trying to get onto Kenneally, and off Mattner. But whenever a turnover occurred in the forward line, he wasn't close to Kenneally.

Sure, Tex kicked 3 goals, but playing a defensive forward position must mean you are accountable for your man when the opposition has the ball.

I'm not sure Tex played the role well at all.

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Yeah 3 in a row with him, plus others this year. Really don't know how having the same umpire 2-3 times in a row is allowed!

So at three quarter time after Ratts got the formula right and we dominated them in the third you wanted him to go an move Bower to Goodes and take Gibbs off him to put him in a midfield that had got on top. That would have been dumb coaching.
We dominated the first 10 mins of the last and had some of our more experienced players converted what they should have we would have won the game comfortably. No way would i have moved Gibbs off goodes for Bower or anyone else in our 22 and no way would i have put Gibbs in the middle with Judd and Murphy at that time well on top.

Its one thing to have a difference of opinion to the way Ratts and Montgomery used the backman but to me it sounds a bit arrogant to describe it as though it was fact as stupid stupid coaching.

Gutted. Watched it at home with my Eagles fans family, who all just kept telling me to cheer up - we gave it a bloody got shot. Maybe, but it still bloody hurts losing like that.

Was feeling a bit better while at work today as my mind drifted away from the loss, but depression has come crashing back down again as I go through this thread. So close.

Judd was awesome in the third qtr. Got us back into the game and then on top. Just our inability to kick even the simplest goals killed us. And that seemed to be across the board.

What pros I can see through this yawning chasm of despair:
Davies - another game into his career and he is showing good signs.
Ellard - another player with a handful of games who didn't wilt in the finals pace and intensity.
Ruck strength and depth is awesome. Be sorry to see one possibly go in trade week and glad I don't have to decide who.
Russell's 2nd qtr. If we can laud Judd for his third, we can do the same for Russell's second.

Cons:
Jack plays for Sydney, not us.
Betts needed a map he got so lost in that game.
Bower and Jamison out of form.
Our Goal kicking is $#%^#$^%@#$@ed!

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Sorry Carrot? Did you miss the last time where Bower was owned by Goodes? Maybe you went to that game too?

Then maybe I'm arrogant, either way it was dumb, and stubborn, and stupid IMO. I'd counter your comments by saying we may not have been so far down in the first place had we not wasted Gibbs from the first bounce. We have a superstar number one draft pick performing the role that another, less skilful player could handle. I don't mind Gibbs playing in defence if he's on a lesser player and able to sag off and use his better judgement. He is one of our most potent attacking weapons and no matter what spin you want to put on it he is wasted playing a role such as the one he played on Sunday. Simple as that.

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Just saw Jack's spear tackle on Judd on OTC.
Bloody discgrace.
Just because he is a Sydney pin up boy from an ARL background the AFL instruct the MRP to let it go through to the keeper.

Weak as piss

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Anyone who brings up the free kick count in a discussion about the quality of umpiring cannot be taken seriously.

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It's not how many...
It's not the ones they pay....
It's not the ones they don't....

It's where they pay the frees and the catch up frees to even the numbers.....

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Zing~!

Can anyone provide the number of scoring involvements Kennelly had?

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The three worst decisions all day was

When Goodes was tackled close to goal and dropped the ball in the first quarter and it resulted in a Swans goal


And the Second was when Robbo run down Munford and caught him cold the ball rolled out and was called a throw in - That ball should have been heading straight back in our 50

and the third was when Matner totally retarded Walker from getting near the ball he just hung onto him and it was called play on


so as usual it is not the ones they pay its the ones they dont

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