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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:04 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Disappointing output so far to say the least, all things considered, and supporter concerns are well justified IMO.

Concern is fine...

Rhys26 wrote:
Mclean is no good - his style of play doesn't fit the modern game.
I'd be surprised if plays at Carlton passed his current contract term


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I doubt it...he got dropped cause he is just not up to it.
Poor Brock hasn't played a decent same since that Final against Western Bulldogs about 4 years ago and then we go and trade out pick 11 for him. Gee we have some real smart operators at our club


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Can't believe we traded a a first round for Mclean.
Such as a waste of a pick

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:27 pm 
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If we win, we leapfron the Dogs, who will surely lose.
If we win BIG, it will give us a percentage boost over the Dogs if we drop a game on them later on.
That should be motivation enough to get a good win.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:42 pm 
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I think a lot of people need to have a coke and chill over MClean. I for one was in favour of the trade, it showed 2 things ...
1) We are trying to fill the holes in our list
2) continued to show we are a great club to trade with (look at the Dawk's and filth's reputation).

We may of paid a little over the odds for him but it was a weak draft, we got Hendo and Lucas for Fev (a great deal it seems) and a number of our rookie picks a bearing fruit. All this I believe gives Brock a bit of time to prove himself.

I have been dissapointed with his effort thus far but we all know he is playing injured at the very least. Will be extremely surprised if he plays in the ANTS this week.

I would like to see the MC give him a decent spell to get over any injuries he might have and bring him back later in the year (if the injuries are what are truly hampering him).

If it ends up being a dodgy trade well them's the breaks, get over it, I think we have had a lot more success in our drafting than failure.

P.S Warnock will come good, he too was worth the punt!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:44 pm 
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Important game that sets us up for the remainder of the season.

We win and we'll be 7-4. Pretty good position to be in at the halfway mark of the season.

I'm confident we can win.

I dont think they have the right mix of defenders to stop Betts and Garlett.

Their key forwards Watts and Miller should not pose any problems for Jamo, Thornton and Walker.

Their kids in the middle are very promising - Scully, Trengove, Giesberts - but they are still just kids! Surely we should have the edge over them.

Jamar has been great but without much backup our combination of Kruezer and Jacobs should get us over the line there also.

Their smaller to medium forwards Bennell, Sylvia, Green have also been good but our smaller to medium matchups down back - Gibbs, Russell, Joseph, Houlihan, Carrazo - should be better.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:00 pm 
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brazilbeliever wrote:
I think a lot of people need to have a coke and chill over MClean. I for one was in favour of the trade, it showed 2 things ...
1) We are trying to fill the holes in our list
2) continued to show we are a great club to trade with (look at the Dawk's and filth's reputation).

We may of paid a little over the odds for him but it was a weak draft, we got Hendo and Lucas for Fev (a great deal it seems) and a number of our rookie picks a bearing fruit. All this I believe gives Brock a bit of time to prove himself.

I have been dissapointed with his effort thus far but we all know he is playing injured at the very least. Will be extremely surprised if he plays in the ANTS this week.

I would like to see the MC give him a decent spell to get over any injuries he might have and bring him back later in the year (if the injuries are what are truly hampering him).

If it ends up being a dodgy trade well them's the breaks, get over it, I think we have had a lot more success in our drafting than failure.

P.S Warnock will come good, he too was worth the punt!


Spot on, By and large we have recruited and traded well. We aint going to win them all. I just wish our MC would keep away from recycled players. Our track record isn't crash hot with the retreads


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:40 pm 
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Honestly, we are at 2 years ahead of them + Judd, ie in 2 years they will be roughly where we are now but they won't have Juddy.
I was worried about the Hawks game as they are a har side. We don't like it tough sometimes.
I was extremely confident against the eagles and I am extremely confident against Melbourne.
They have a few good ageing players and a bunch of kids. I expect a 5 - 10 goal win.
They play a fairly fast paced, running game. Will suit us beautifully.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:16 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Disappointing output so far to say the least, all things considered, and supporter concerns are well justified IMO.

Concern is fine...

Rhys26 wrote:
Mclean is no good - his style of play doesn't fit the modern game.
I'd be surprised if plays at Carlton passed his current contract term


Rhys26 wrote:
I doubt it...he got dropped cause he is just not up to it.
Poor Brock hasn't played a decent same since that Final against Western Bulldogs about 4 years ago and then we go and trade out pick 11 for him. Gee we have some real smart operators at our club


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Can't believe we traded a a first round for Mclean.
Such as a waste of a pick



What am I wrong????


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:19 pm 
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What am I wrong????

Nothing is proven just yet. You are going a bit over the top about it. His form isn't flash, and he's in the sin bin. Let's see how that unfolds.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:22 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
What am I wrong????

Nothing is proven just yet. You are going a bit over the top about it. His form isn't flash, and he's in the sin bin. Let's see how that unfolds.


Jimmae - He lost me with his efforts against Collingwood. He was pitiful/pathetic in that game and last week he wasn't much better.
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play again this season if Hadleys injuries and form can hold up


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:26 pm 
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Rhys26 wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Disappointing output so far to say the least, all things considered, and supporter concerns are well justified IMO.

Concern is fine...

Rhys26 wrote:
Mclean is no good - his style of play doesn't fit the modern game.
I'd be surprised if plays at Carlton passed his current contract term


Rhys26 wrote:
I doubt it...he got dropped cause he is just not up to it.
Poor Brock hasn't played a decent same since that Final against Western Bulldogs about 4 years ago and then we go and trade out pick 11 for him. Gee we have some real smart operators at our club


Rhys26 wrote:
Can't believe we traded a a first round for Mclean.
Such as a waste of a pick



What am I wrong????


Like jimmae said, not yet. It is a bit rich though, questioning the intelligence of the people behind the decision.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:34 pm 
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[quote="kots1234"]Important game that sets us up for the remainder of the season.

We win and we'll be 7-4. Pretty good position to be in at the halfway mark of the season.

I'm confident we can win.

I dont think they have the right mix of defenders to stop Betts and Garlett.

Their key forwards Watts and Miller should not pose any problems for Jamo, Thornton and Walker.

Their kids in the middle are very promising - Scully, Trengove, Giesberts - but they are still just kids! Surely we should have the edge over them.

Jamar has been great but without much backup our combination of Kruezer and Jacobs should get us over the line there also.

Their smaller to medium forwards Bennell, Sylvia, Green have also been good but our smaller to medium matchups down back - Gibbs, Russell, Joseph, Houlihan, Carrazo - should be better.

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Agreed

but i think the blues will win by 39 points plus!! not an issue. we're are better and stronger than them on every line all o ver the ground. saying that i have respect for melb and they will put everything in this game..but the MC dropping mclean and hendo tells me we are just as serious to leave out mark on this ganme. I think rats is the most improve coach int he comp ..and i hope he keeps it up

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:35 pm 
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Murphy4me wrote:
I also agree that not selecting Brock may have something to do with not giving Melbourne more of a reason to fire up against us. A bit of a pychological play by the MC maybe.


Don't think that's it...it's more to do with pace (or lack thereof with Both Hads and Brock in the team) and form....I actually watched Brock closely last week...in close he is real good...its just his decision making at the moment that makes him appear to lack pace..this will improve as he begins to gel with his team mates and the game plan. Give him time...I have no doubt he will deliver...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:40 pm 
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I have a feeling this will be a walk in the park for us...a 10 goal plus blowout....no disrespect to the Dees but this will be one of those games their youngsters will learn from...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:48 pm 
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This game is like a Grand Final for me as my brother in law and father in law are both annoying Dees fans.. My father in law is so deluded that he repeatedly told me a few weeks ago that the Demons were going to beat Geelong... What a tosser... He still goes on about old man Barass' for God's sake....
C'mon Blues... Belt these Demon pretenders so I can get these two clowns our of my ear for another year...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:39 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Murphy4me wrote:
I also agree that not selecting Brock may have something to do with not giving Melbourne more of a reason to fire up against us. A bit of a pychological play by the MC maybe.


Don't think that's it...it's more to do with pace (or lack thereof with Both Hads and Brock in the team) and form....I actually watched Brock closely last week...in close he is real good...its just his decision making at the moment that makes him appear to lack pace..this will improve as he begins to gel with his team mates and the game plan. Give him time...I have no doubt he will deliver...


Really nicely put J&K.
A post with empathy and hope...no doubt means no doubt...it's a definite then.
I hope so.
But I really like the way you put it. Some would suggest you're making excuses.
But as jimmae said, it's a bit early to write off McLean.

I remember last year when the same comments were being made about Hadley (between rounds 5-15) when his body wasn't right, then he came really good/ valuable towards the end of the season. When he got injured from a kick to the arm (which broke), after another brave act, and was unavailable to play due to the injury, his value to the team was acknowledged and he was sorely missed in the Finals.
I think that's another reason why we got the brave McLean.

I truly believe the MC are picking the best available and also sending him a message as to what level of performance is expected in th Carlton seniors.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:42 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
This game is like a Grand Final for me as my brother in law and father in law are both annoying Dees fans.. My father in law is so deluded that he repeatedly told me a few weeks ago that the Demons were going to beat Geelong... What a tosser... He still goes on about old man Barass' for God's sake....
C'mon Blues... Belt these Demon pretenders so I can get these two clowns our of my ear for another year...


I empathise with you Dominator.
I have a similar situation (not the father in law though).

I hope your team wins by 64 points, and you know what, they might do that.
If it's 69, that could leave a bad taste in your in laws' mouth :wink:

I'm expecting the Dees to start tiring (not Trengove and Scully who were rested last weekend).

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:11 pm 
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Where's Old 55, he was always a good Demons poster with insights into the Dees. Anyway I think this will be a tight game if both teams bring their best game.

brazilbeliever wrote:
If it ends up being a dodgy trade well them's the breaks, get over it, I think we have had a lot more success in our drafting than failure.

P.S Warnock will come good, he too was worth the punt!


I think you punt on 18 year olds, not on guys who have been in the system for 4 -8 years. We'd be able to give a pretty good account of the strengths and weaknesses of our players because we watch them every week. We should have people at the club who can do the same on players from other sides. You shouldn't get things too wrong with players from other clubs. There is plenty of opportunity to assess their value at AFL level. Our attitude can't be that 'them's the breaks'. It should be "how did we get it wrong.'

At the end of the year we can assess further, but I'd hate to have missed Kane Lucas to get Brock McLean.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:39 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
Where's Old 55, he was always a good Demons poster with insights into the Dees. Anyway I think this will be a tight game if both teams bring their best game.

brazilbeliever wrote:
If it ends up being a dodgy trade well them's the breaks, get over it, I think we have had a lot more success in our drafting than failure.

P.S Warnock will come good, he too was worth the punt!


I think you punt on 18 year olds, not on guys who have been in the system for 4 -8 years. We'd be able to give a pretty good account of the strengths and weaknesses of our players because we watch them every week. We should have people at the club who can do the same on players from other sides. You shouldn't get things too wrong with players from other clubs. There is plenty of opportunity to assess their value at AFL level. Our attitude can't be that 'them's the breaks'. It should be "how did we get it wrong.'

At the end of the year we can assess further, but I'd hate to have missed Kane Lucas to get Brock McLean.


It's Friday.

This is my POW.
I enjoyed every line.
Nice way to finish before the bounce...and win for 7-4 at 1/2WAY

Geez we've got a good list when we don't have to worry about the outcome of picks like 28 Warnock (2009) PSD Johnson (2009) 11 McLean (2010).

If those blokes come off in the 2nd half of 2010, and we're 7-4 at the half way mark, we are going to be knocking on th door, because we've beaten last years' Grand Finalists without them (well Jonno played against the Saints, but he wasn't the reason we won by 61 points; imo).

Where's Ol 55 when you need him?

OL 55 where are you?...sounds like "Car 54 where are you" for those who might remember.

Probably will win by 10 goals. Maybe I was being a pre weeken Nervous Nellie.

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Maybe Brock was brought to the club solely to take the whip and get the ill informed, caustic, gangrenous supporters (that we unfortunately have) off JR's back so he can become a leading defensive player in the league.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:17 pm 
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This weeks game is going to be very exciting, both teams have been playing some "good looking" footy this year.

Im so glad we have Browne, Hadley, Robbo, Ando, Russell etc. in the team cos I think if we can 'muscle' the younger Dees we will win easily.

We have the team balance almost right I reckon, plenty of pace and goal scoring options, and hard working backs. Dees have some quality but just not enough talent (age related) to beat us.

I watched with interest the way Weagles beat this mob and really nullified Jamar by Cox/Nit Nat running him into the ground, I hope our boys will do the same. Jamar was out on his feet by 1/2 time!!

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