PROS-
Played a decent opponent on an unfamiliar ground - good experience to get under our belts
Bower
Yarran
Robbo
Hadley's 1st half
Hendo, Warnock, Lucas & Davies showed some encouraging signs
Browne's last quarter
It's only the NAB cup
Murphy, Waite, Simmo, Armfield, Betts, Tex & Hoops to come into the side

CONS-
Fisher injury
We lost

I'm feeling just as today reading the posts saying Brock is a dud etc, as I did when I read the posts a few months ago that said he was going to win the Brownlow

Obviously plenty of work still to be done on how we bring the ball into our forward line and how we structure up in attack, but we knew that was always going to take some time....didn't we?

And we're still developing our defence into a cohesive unit, but we knew that was still a work in progress....didn't we?

Not a lot to get overly excited about, but nothing to panic about yet either, IMO...

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Thought I saw Lucas doing some in and under work.
Is he meant to be an outside player?
IMO this player could be real good.
Also thought Gibbs did a fair bit of the unspectacular stuff. Ditto Henderson

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Am I the only one who thought Hampson actually provided a decent forward target (in the very limited opportunity he had)?

Plus he looked far more likely than the other tall options to actually mark the ball.

you want players to be effective if unspectacular.
Gibbs needs to be stepping up his effectiveness on games.

Can you tell me his role is george???

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Sailor Man, I would bet every dollar and cents I have in the bank that if we had won last night you would have been complaining about the fact that the Swans were only going at 80%.

How many Premiership points did we miss out on last night? Because if it was 0pts then I'm happy.

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Hey jimmae I don't disagree with you, although I was wondering if you could expand on your thoughts regarding greedy coaches approaching finals?

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STURDYISM!!

I have no idea what roles were assigned last night but I like Jimmae's suggestion that players should continue to learn new roles sometimes at the cost of onfield results. It seems some players are being judged more on whether they did the more spectacular things last night. If Henderson and Hampson had held a couple of marks each, if Yarran had slotted a couple more goals we'd be toasting them today.

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but to learn a new role.. means Gibbs must have had a role last night anyway.

Can you put your finger on it??

Was it chasing cheap kicks????.. is that what he was learning???

I wanna know what was the role that should be obvious ... that was Gibbs ' last night.

I couldnt understand what he was attemoting to do for the betterment of the club as an elite prospect.

I know looking for easy kicks was one... but how did that work for the betterment of this footy club???

Anyway.. i might summons up the courage and galvanise myself to watch it again....

I know Ratts was trying to turn and teach Juddy how to play the forward pocket... and Kreuzer the other forward pocket.. after all thats what these NAB cup games are about.. rounding footballers off.

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Gee....can't you tell the footys back?............

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Yep, the Usual Suspects aren't happy and humming Monday's Experts whilst posting.

I wish I lived in their mutually exclusive world.

Gibbs look disinterested last night

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i dont care about winning when we dont have a formula to win...

Its like saying to your 6 year old to get you a glass of water and he crawls on his his tummy across the house and comes back with the glass of water 20 minutes later.....

... shouldnt he work out to be more efficient ????

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probably just better off getting the water yourself

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Probably better off drinking something else that's in the fridge.

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I will reserve judement till after round 2 but:

Henderson looked all athlete with very little footballer
Why can other clubs recruit players that are "one touch" footballers in their first team & our entire team struggles with clean
possession and kicking efficiency
There was no workable forward structure and little lateral thinking from the coaching box

Henderson will be fine.. if he knows how the ball is supposed to find him... he missed a few weeks prior as well... plus he couldnt make the original intra.... to help him get some touch....

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The skill level was appalling... after 4 months of training!

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There's so much I could say...

Never mind.....we have to play Brisbane on Friday night now....wonder if Fev will play?

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Bit of a loser if you ask me.

Pretty much referring to the idea that coaches become hesitant to change around things that are working at crunch times in games, but the philosophy seems to spread to whole games, then seasons (and so on) if the longer-term benefits of blooding a player in a role are overshadowed by the idea of more immediate success.

The real dynasties in sport come about when the team & staff are prepared to keep an eye on the medium and long term. AFL teams are not Man U so they can't spend spend spend and loan out players, nor are they NFL teams like the Patriots who can continually make astute trades for future picks and allow themselves to run a two separate and full match sim drills at least twice a week.

There are greater limitations to both acquisition and development of talent in our code but teams like Collingwood and Essendon* who take draftees and plug them into excessively simple roles doom themselves to a middle-band performance in the competition because it seems that sniff of success can throw a mighty spanner in what is an intricate development model that really takes a good chunk of the process out of the hands of the players themselves.

I may have said this before elsewhere on here, but its not at all dissimilar from a basic management philosophy known as "Theory X vs Theory Y", give that a quick google. I would label the "new" style of Collingwood & Essendon* as Theory X practice, which is generally considered out-dated in the business world save for extremely menial workforces. Treat them like peanuts, and they'll either be peanuts or they'll behave like peanuts.

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