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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:42 am 
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WH is on record as saying that we never even interviewed Mitch because (having traded#24 for 206) we never expected Mitch to be available @ #40 :donk: (we have all heard we rated him top 10)



If you can pull that 'record' up you are quoting I'd love to see it.

Regards Cazzesman


....recruiting manager Wayne Hughes hadn't even spoken with the lad's parents before he called out his name on draft day.

Now please don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument Hack. I know for a fact WH and Ratts and SR and SI and others all spoke at length to Robbo at DC that year. I know because I bought him to the interview room.

As for you other comment about why he slipped I guess time will tell. 09 wasn't a bad start for him prior to injury. He brings a level of commit to the contest that every club would love. There's a guy called Martin Pike who has 3 premiership medals and he had a few hiccups early days.

Regards Cazzesman


Im not .....I said that isnt the article isnt the one I was looking for but it did illustrate that WH was so surprised he was still available that he had deviated from his usual procedure.......it was over a year ago and if Im wrong so be it, an honest mistake.

If you say you interviewed him I believe you and wont search any further.

But anyway if WH only recruits kids of good carachter WTF are they doing blueing with Juddy off their faces in public ?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:43 am 
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To all Carlton Players and Staff,
As a passionate Carlton supporter I have always taken pride in my club but over the last few years the idiotic actions of a minority of the playing group is causing the club a great deal of damage. I have also had to question what the club's ethos is and what the players really strive for.

A professional sportsman has a short career and their aim should be to get the most out of themselves and aim for the ultimate prize of winning a premiership. Elite athletes dont get blind drunk or get into fights or do things that will jeporidise their performance. Clearly this simple message is too complex for some players for whatever reason and it seems a minority of players still want to disrespect their team-mates, the club and it supporters.

There is no excuse for being drunk and I don't care whether it is during the season or during the off season, it is not so hard to drink responsibly yet for some this seems beyond their grasp so drastic action must be taken, clearly a fine and slap on the wrist has failed to have the intended response. We have assembled the best off-field (administration) team in the AFL, and they can determine the punishments as necessary. Make no mistakes that the supporters are sick of the rotten eggs dragging the club down, and as a club we will NEVER win a flag until the culture changes and the discipline comes from within the group rather than being forced in a paternalistic manner.

I want to thank the majority of the players who tow the line and do the right things and wish them well for 2010. To the few players who continue to act like overpaid fools (you know who you are) I have a simple message "Grow up or Get out". Not only are you disgracing yourselves but also the club, your team-mates, your family and the supporters.

Yours Sincerely
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:45 am 
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Hope this doesn't turn out as ugly as the Manly 2009 season launch...


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:45 am 
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dannyboy wrote:

yet this may well have been a club function where it seems a few of the lads got plastered. Did the club endorse this end of year party? Did it supply the grog? Has the club set about showing these young men that they must drink responsibly? (Words are useless without the modelling). If so, by either organising, sanctioning, or supplying, then can the club be disappointed when young men, when pissed, make dumb decisions? I would have thought history is littered with dumb decisions (and worse) by drunken people who when sober act rational.

I want to know if the club had any hand in the setting up and structure of this end of year event. If it did then its the club I am angry at not Houla,Tex or others.



Fair point, and it would be sad if the club had to ban alcohol at functions because a few blokes can't handle themselves. Colour me old fashioned, but I believe there is still a place for these sorts of activities for the team. Particularly at the end of the year, and when they hire a boat to confine their activities to a 'private' setting.

90% of the playing list managed to avoid being locked up or in fights.

I wouldn't spread the culpability to far away from the 10% who didn't.

How stupid are you to end up in this situation in the post-Fev world at Carlton. Defies belief.



Logical consequences. If you have shown you can't handle the grog - don't touch it. Should be a total alcohol ban on these boys. If the club did sponsor this event and didn't think ahead then we are in so much more trouble than I thought. Yes 90% did handle it well (as far as we know at this stage) sadly the minority do have an impact and in mad Melbourne is always all over the media.
Ever since I have been around this forum (and TBV) the lack of effective leadership (apart from when RP was directly involved) has been appalling. Next question - Where do we go from here? Will sponsors want to be part of what we do?
If I was on the Board I would be asking some very pointed questions at key people at our club (and expecting some honest answers).

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:51 am 
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Again I'll say it, Amateur hour. Club organised booze cruise....WTF are we thinking???

seanpb wrote:
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Blah, blah, blah.... Boys being boys..... Blah, blah, blah

not good enough. Why are we the only club to have trouble from a Xmas party???? Pathetic. Why are most of our players out on the tiles part way through pre season training? Amateur.

Braddles must shake his head in disbelief.

We should just trade Juddy, obviously no one respects him...... Why do we have so many Fwits?

If these dip shits want to go out on the turps, get a !@#$%& real job, play suburban footy.... ffs give up the booze and binge drinking. Amateur, we will go nowhere with the attitude our players seem to have. If any of us were in their position I'm sure we would do anything to get the best out of ourselves, loading up on booze is no good for an athlete, fine for amateurs.

Merry !@#$%& Xmas..... Let's get smashed....


I'm honestly not trying to be the epitome of rhetoric here, but if the story as has been speculated is true then your post is a way over the top.

The club has acted quickly, fining the players involved. They've moved as quick as they possibly could have, as well as decisively, sending a clear message to the club as a whole and that's really all that can be asked of them.

The incident was dealt with by police at the scene, no charges were laid and as such we can hardly scream blue murder over it.

They're on leave from the club until the new year and if anyone thinks this will in anyway hinder the players involved when they return you're kidding yourselves.

Get over it like Walker, Houlihan and the club have. Whilst your at it get over yourself, too.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:54 am 
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Let's tank 2010

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:58 am 
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yibbida wrote:
Again I'll say it, Amateur hour. Club organised booze cruise....WTF are we thinking???

seanpb wrote:
yibbida wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.... Boys being boys..... Blah, blah, blah

not good enough. Why are we the only club to have trouble from a Xmas party???? Pathetic. Why are most of our players out on the tiles part way through pre season training? Amateur.

Braddles must shake his head in disbelief.

We should just trade Juddy, obviously no one respects him...... Why do we have so many Fwits?

If these dip shits want to go out on the turps, get a !@#$%& real job, play suburban footy.... ffs give up the booze and binge drinking. Amateur, we will go nowhere with the attitude our players seem to have. If any of us were in their position I'm sure we would do anything to get the best out of ourselves, loading up on booze is no good for an athlete, fine for amateurs.

Merry !@#$%& Xmas..... Let's get smashed....


I'm honestly not trying to be the epitome of rhetoric here, but if the story as has been speculated is true then your post is a way over the top.

The club has acted quickly, fining the players involved. They've moved as quick as they possibly could have, as well as decisively, sending a clear message to the club as a whole and that's really all that can be asked of them.

The incident was dealt with by police at the scene, no charges were laid and as such we can hardly scream blue murder over it.

They're on leave from the club until the new year and if anyone thinks this will in anyway hinder the players involved when they return you're kidding yourselves.

Get over it like Walker, Houlihan and the club have. Whilst your at it get over yourself, too.



Read today's paper?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:59 am 
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Taff wrote:
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It's official. We have NO RIGHT to criticse the culture of other clubs :banghead:


Spot on! The slanging that some throw around on this forum is very short sighted.

Currently Carlton FC is an embarrassment.


Are we the new rabble???

I knew things would only get worse once Fev left !!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:07 am 
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It seems we should just swap Judd's (and the ones) jumper for one that says "I'm with stupid". It worries me that Judd may look back at the end of his career and think WCE were a more professional club! The other thing is there is only ever about 50% of the story that actually gets out and can be printed so this xmas party must have been a beauty. Seventeen looks a lot further away than I had hoped.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:07 am 
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In addition to the players involved, the CFC officials who organised and monitored that function would want to take a good flowering look at themselves.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:10 am 
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Blues Clues wrote:
In addition to the players involved, the CFC officials who organised and monitored that function would want to take a good flowering look at themselves.


Maybe that's the problem - there were no CFC minders watching.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:11 am 
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i thought houlihan was gay.


He might have been asking the woman in question hair or makeup tips, or where she got those faaaabulous shoes?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:13 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
I am sick of this crap. :hitcomputer: :hitcomputer:

Fevola's priors have nothing to do with these boys. You have to judge them on their own behaviour.


Fair point, but wasn't Houla heavily involved in at least one of Fev's priors?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:15 am 
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It was all Fev's fault haven't you heard?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:18 am 
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Eddie sounds like he needs to quit drinking as its only going to get him in trouble.
Robo sounds like an awkward bloke. Shows potential on the field however. Would wont to respect the club leaders or wont get a chance to show what he can do.
Houla has done his dash and would want to make the most of any chance he gets this year or he will be shown the door.
Walker better hope his body holds out this year or his career could be in danger. Club wont support him through another lay off if this is the way it is repaid.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:23 am 
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I think Betts has to go. If we taking the hardline with Fev, there is no place for Betts at Carlton. How do you get drunk enough to be arrested. Betts was probably(not fact - my view) responsible for the Garlett/Cloke late for training incident and has been known to drink a bit according to what i read on here previously threads. Got Garlett and Yarran, your spots taken betts.

Robbo - Stupid, but he would of been following betts lead. Like Pendlebury, he would of been targeted for a fight. AFL players are targets now, he doesnt seem to be a thug.

Walker/Houlihan - Dont know enough to comment, but l would say theres 2 mths before the season starts to train their butts off.

I am all for suspending players, but at the same time i want the best players out there on the field Round 1. 2-3 mths out from the start of the season allows enough time to punish those players thru training. I don't see much value in a couple games on the side line as punishment

With 2-3 months out, I would rather Ratten got those 4 players to do 15% more training then the other players on the team. If the do a 10k run, they do an extra 15% further. They do pushups, those players do 15% more pushups. They do sprints, they do 15% more sprints.

I would rather see the 40 other players on the team watching 4 players isolated doing 15% more then the others. Trust me, you wouldn't feel great. Plus the players will be super fit. Missing a couple games, doesn't have much impact, unless its 6-8games.


I seriously like the idea of 15%, or 25% actually even better.

I like many just cannot comprehend how easy these people have it and how little they care about their role as a professional sportsman.

I don't want to think about having these 4 out as well with no Judd in rounds 1 through 3, we already have to front up to Brisbane and Fev without Judd which is gonna hurt.

Walker, unbelievable - you have teased me with your spastic kicking skills for years, then seemed to improve on that, then had the unlucky spell, then recover and now do this.

Houlihan, seems to have stepped up, as class clown now Fev is gone.

At least Nick Stevens isn't still on the list, we have been spared from seeing a vice captain embarrass us here too.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:36 am 
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koutahootarootafides wrote:
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I think Betts has to go. If we taking the hardline with Fev, there is no place for Betts at Carlton. How do you get drunk enough to be arrested. Betts was probably(not fact - my view) responsible for the Garlett/Cloke late for training incident and has been known to drink a bit according to what i read on here previously threads. Got Garlett and Yarran, your spots taken betts.

Robbo - Stupid, but he would of been following betts lead. Like Pendlebury, he would of been targeted for a fight. AFL players are targets now, he doesnt seem to be a thug.

Walker/Houlihan - Dont know enough to comment, but l would say theres 2 mths before the season starts to train their butts off.

I am all for suspending players, but at the same time i want the best players out there on the field Round 1. 2-3 mths out from the start of the season allows enough time to punish those players thru training. I don't see much value in a couple games on the side line as punishment

With 2-3 months out, I would rather Ratten got those 4 players to do 15% more training then the other players on the team. If the do a 10k run, they do an extra 15% further. They do pushups, those players do 15% more pushups. They do sprints, they do 15% more sprints.

I would rather see the 40 other players on the team watching 4 players isolated doing 15% more then the others. Trust me, you wouldn't feel great. Plus the players will be super fit. Missing a couple games, doesn't have much impact, unless its 6-8games.


I seriously like the idea of 15%, or 25% actually even better.

I like many just cannot comprehend how easy these people have it and how little they care about their role as a professional sportsman.

I don't want to think about having these 4 out as well with no Judd in rounds 1 through 3, we already have to front up to Brisbane and Fev without Judd which is gonna hurt.

Walker, unbelievable - you have teased me with your spastic kicking skills for years, then seemed to improve on that, then had the unlucky spell, then recover and now do this.

Houlihan, seems to have stepped up, as class clown now Fev is gone.

At least Nick Stevens isn't still on the list, we have been spared from seeing a vice captain embarrass us here too.



Awesome pot shot at Stevens mate.

Stevens hadn't done anything wrong (other than suffer a serious neck injury which explains why he 'isn't on the list'). He wasn't even at the fight at the casino.

Yet Robbo was but of course he had been targeted.

It's actually more Stevens' fault than Robinson's didn't you know.

Amazing how some players are scapegoats.

Can't blame this one on Fev and Stevo though.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:37 am 
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Clearly leadership is an issue - leaders, be it Judd or Swann or Ratts, should take some heat for this

If players can't be trusted, then big boozy nights should be off limits

Or at the very least the night should be managed (monitored)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:41 am 
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This is a disgrace and cant go on... I took the line of innocent until proven guilty, but in light of these new revelations, I think Eddie and Robbo should be given the Steve Johnsone treatment...
This is the kind of stuff that used to go on at Collingwood a few years ago until Eddie took the hard line stance on Didak and Shaw.
We need Ratten, Swann, Judd and Sticks to come out and address this issue with the public instead of hiding their heads inthe sand.... Judd is a fantastic player, but seriously needs to grow some balls in terms of commanding respect... The way some players treat him is an absolute embaressment...
If the axeing of Fev wasnt enough of a wake up call for Eddie and the rest of the boys, being hit in the hip pocket, being banned from drinking and being suspended from the senior side for the fist 5 weeks of the season should do the trick... If they offend again, GOODBYE!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:48 am 
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Words escape me. This would have to be a joke, surely.

I’m trying to fathom how this could be possible? Both from the players and the club.

Do we enjoy being a laughing stock? The Fev saga was only in @#$%&! Sept!

Obviously the players have long forgotten the Brisbane final. Well I haven’t, I’m still hurting like hell.

All this while we don’t have a major sponsor. How stupid do you have to be?

Absolutely gutted to say the least.

I’m coming to the sad realisation that we haven’t progressed as a club any where near what I thought we had.

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