What a weirdo, why would you kick a man when he's down? Tough man syndrome, what a gutless act, even if Cloke did say something to him, no need for it.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html

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So Carlos' reaction to a slur on his mother [this is all hypothetical people, so please relax], is to say, let's take this in the ring?

You know that's seriously unlikely and that he would react to the comment, there and then as most people would.

Update - Doc, Carlos would not have heard sledging from team-mates.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

lead story on the herald sun website with a massive banner

above real stories like a poor school kid who got stabbed , a drug lord , missing divers and job cuts

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Have you posted anywhere grro about the poor school kid, drug lord, missing divers etc today?

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

so a footballer hitting a teammate at training is the biggest news story of the day

sad sad world

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Im split 50/50 on it. Who knows why he snapped? thats what i'd be trying to work out and from there the club and leadreship group must make a decision.

Fev himself said that he is a good bloke and feels for him.

These guys are not programed robots - they make mistakes like you an i under stress. Something must have seriously ticked him off to do that. No one loses it like that for no reason.

Honestly i think he is frustrated and i do hope he gets all the help he can get and they slowly work through any issues he may have deep inside of him

but he needs to learn how to control his emotions.

He has let his team mates and everyone at the club down

Well said Melvey.

we cant just cut him loose - that would be a pretty low act from the club

suspend him yes ,but i think as a club we should be working through his issues with him and making sure he is mentally fit at the least before dumping him and sending him on his way

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

lets makes one thing clear, we didn't provoke him into that

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It is a sad sad world, which is why people fixat on things that are as mindless as footy players hitting each other - its escape from the crap going on in the real world.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

he just did it cos he was black ?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

DUC - it happens all the time and we, justifiably so, don't hear about it. Cloke would have been shitting bricks if Setanta had of got up from the wrestle and said "I'm not done with you yet - we're getting the gloves on today"...

AS for the last point - he's been around enough years to know that sledging goes on in the intra-clubs...if it wasn't directed at him in the past - it certainly was today - and not just by Cameron Cloke.

nah its just typical sensationalist bullshit that the media continually carry on with

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

And people lap it up, which is what sells newspapers, gets people clicking on the link and watching the incident on TV.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

which is also what i find pathetic

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Guilty as charged. I am one who reads everything and anything about the Carlton footy club.

yes we are carlton supporters of course we do

i just dont see the need for it to be a massive banner and lead stories on the heraldsun website

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Lets look on the bright side Monga LLoyd with be sh*%ting himself this year!

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It's very sad to see a guy who is a fundamentally sound person deteriorate in the way he did earlier today. I know a lot of us saw the documentary on Sentanta and you couldn't feel anything but admiration for him after watching it. He comes from a wonderful family and it took a lot of courage to come across to Australia and give a new sport a go. Having said that, I think today is a build up of frustration which appears to have started since Pagan left. His brother clearly had issues with club (and possibly the playing group) and the only way you can rationalize what happened is to think he feels like an outsider and disconnected from the core of the club. I hope this is not the end of the journey because it held such promise. I also agree with an earlier poster that I hope Sentanta uses this as a way to deal with his anger issues and that the club doesn't just cut him loose -- to do so right now would seem callous.

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I highly doubt it too.

Too be honest I think its probably just a case that Setanta is a bit of a hot head and just snapped. I just happen to think people should have all the facts so they can make informed decisions rather than knee jerk reactions. The facts may be that it was as it seems a complete brain snap with no mitagating cirumstances but none of us know what was going on in his head. I would prefer to trust the club has improved both on and off field enough to make the correct decision and bot be influenced by outside influences like the Hun.