Pretty much agree with this. If it was the board, then this is a poor way of running things. If it was WH, then this is exactly what should have happened, and we are getting pent up over nothing.

Didn't see that coming.

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However we could have picked Zantuck in psd and Cloke at no 1 in the rookie draft if we chose.

Whether we ended up choosing the right player or not is almost irrelevant, the process (or lack thereof) is the issue.

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If this was the case, and I have no idea if it was or wasn't.....why does it show a poorly functioning football department. If it was as you suggest, couldn't that then mean it was democracy at work.

Regards Cazzesman

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Cazz - your abilty to sugar coat in order to keep the peace is admirable, but in this case the football department were overruled by Smorgon. Not the board - just Smorgon acting with Sticks as back up. This is what you get in the absence of policy. Smorgon must go - he is the root of most problems at this club.

Is there any actual evidence to back this up, or are you just specualting??

Sorry CM ...not taking a potshot ...and I mean poorly functioning (maybe wrong expression) in terms of not airing the "democratic decisions" in public

So when are you coming out and saying that you don't know why we took player X....you wanted player Y but "they" overulled you....I've got Ch 10 on the phone now...

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I would have thought that Denis whinging about it in public demonstrated the original assertion.

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And Carlton's board have never tried to influence the decisions of the football department.
Link.

About to become public hey? tomorrow is Friday is it not?

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Can I ask what is actually wrong with the board telling the football department to bypass Zantuck. Its not a football decision. I dont think Smorgon sat up at night watching videos of Zantuck playing to assess whether he'd benefit,
It was a decision based on not gambling on a guy who has burned his bridges at 2 clubs in the last 2 years. The last thing the club needs is a player who can give the wrong sort of headalines.
I'm sure the edict wasnt "We want Cloke" it was "Pass on Zantuck" and fair enough I reckon.

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Wrong headlines, Cloke speeding nearly costing a TAC Sponsorship!

Smorgon talking gives the wrong headlines, in fact anyone at Carlton gives the wrong headlines. Carlton is the headline until this board pisses off.

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I dont understand.
Did'nt Pagan make this public?
Did'nt Denis tell KB that he was overruled?
Everything I saw in the media yesterday related to Pagans comment.

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My point exactly. Anyone who spoke made headlines. Negative headlines.

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This board has got to go. This club is absolute disgrace at the top. Obvioulsy there is nothing between the ears with these blokes. To precious about themselves and totally short sighted. Does anybody out there have any credible information as to whether there is going to be a genuine challenge to this absolute incompetence. Basically this club is in the hands of a regime of dictators. Something needs to be done asap. Enough is enough.

My anger is not becuase of Pagan saying he was over-ruled, or Smorgon over-ruleing Pagan................

I'm more upset that this board just can't seem to avoid bad-publicity.

Pagan and smorgan are ADAMANT that there is no bad blood between them and that they have regular discussion etc, etc, etc. If that is the case, why does there continue to be such a lack of comunication.

Pagan was on SEN this morning and his 1st priority was to get the message accross to supporters that everything is ok and that things are very positive down at Carlton. Great,................buy why are things so poorly organised down there? It's really not doing much to our image which we are so desperatly trying to improve on.

That's all i'm upset about.

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- Aristotle

The treatment of Diggins has been disgraceful and the comments that have been said straight to her face by "men" are reprehensible.

The fact they're trying to silence Valmorbida and Diggins who appear to be asking the questions we want to hear and not replace them isn't the way to run a board.

Does Smorgon run his daddy's company as his own personal fiefdom?

Sticks has burnt all his bridges with me.

When do we get the chance to vote them out

Will I even receive a voting form this time

I'm still waiting for my copies of Inside Carlton to arrive.

All these post about getting rid of board members players and coaches...
Who's left after the TCers get their way?

Unless there are real and viable replacements for each level why sook?

There is no group officially requesting to take over the board. None.
Fraser Brown took a pot shot - stood back - and now looks the fool.

There is no better proven available coach.
Why try unproven coaches? That would be a disaster waiting to happen.

Forget bitching about getting new 'people' because right now there is no-one, and anyone speaking off the top of their heads about sack this and get rid of that sounds like nothing more than drunks wondering the city streets on a Friday night.

This forum has become very negative.

Yeah the clubs has made a few mistakes - but take a look at our list - there is plenty to look forward to.

Senior lawyer Stephen Moulton (Mills Oakley Lawyers) will go public before the weekend about his intentions to get on the board.

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