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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 8:58 pm 
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I don’t think Charlie is a problem, he’s just a big kid who just wants to have fun, play footy and surf. He’s happy at Carlton but he’d also be happy somewhere else.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Just need to piss of McKay ….after Curnow. Doc was one that needed to go. Jury still out on Cripps as a leader. Make Weitering captain or wait a year for Walsh to get body right then make him captain. There is no I in team. Carlton needs to eat that mantra for breakfast. Piss off Saad McGovern and Williams too. Then we are getting somewhere!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 8:07 am 
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hang on Brisbane have made significant changes addressing list needs continually - to me this has been Carlton's issue (well one of them) they havet hought the side needs "tweaking" (or worse, we have the side now change the coach) not addressing significant issues - great clubs bite the bullet and address the issues - I finally feel like we may have done that!


Back in the day Danny, as you well know, we were very good at topping up or tweaking the list to continue the path to Glory. A few examples are Perovic, Wells, Rhys-Jones, Williams, Spalding .....


back in the day was 30 years ago!

we need to move into this day!

Parkin did let the genie out of the bag - it was his skill.

I think most coaches actually would back their players with only occasional tweaks that's why you need strong administrators around them to make hard choices so the coach can continue to back his players while the club makes the changes. I think for 30 years our club has been weak in that sup[port. all coaches need - for the club to make the hard calls - whether that be at the end of the season or even week to week with team selection.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 9:28 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
Navy One wrote:
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hang on Brisbane have made significant changes addressing list needs continually - to me this has been Carlton's issue (well one of them) they havet hought the side needs "tweaking" (or worse, we have the side now change the coach) not addressing significant issues - great clubs bite the bullet and address the issues - I finally feel like we may have done that!


Back in the day Danny, as you well know, we were very good at topping up or tweaking the list to continue the path to Glory. A few examples are Perovic, Wells, Rhys-Jones, Williams, Spalding .....


back in the day was 30 years ago!

we need to move into this day!

Parkin did let the genie out of the bag - it was his skill.

I think most coaches actually would back their players with only occasional tweaks that's why you need strong administrators around them to make hard choices so the coach can continue to back his players while the club makes the changes. I think for 30 years our club has been weak in that sup[port. all coaches need - for the club to make the hard calls - whether that be at the end of the season or even week to week with team selection.


We dropped the ball Danny ...... like you say ..... the club needs to make the hard calls. It's been a putrid 30 years.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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it certainly has.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 10:17 am 
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Navy One wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Navy One wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
hang on Brisbane have made significant changes addressing list needs continually - to me this has been Carlton's issue (well one of them) they havet hought the side needs "tweaking" (or worse, we have the side now change the coach) not addressing significant issues - great clubs bite the bullet and address the issues - I finally feel like we may have done that!


Back in the day Danny, as you well know, we were very good at topping up or tweaking the list to continue the path to Glory. A few examples are Perovic, Wells, Rhys-Jones, Williams, Spalding .....


back in the day was 30 years ago!

we need to move into this day!

Parkin did let the genie out of the bag - it was his skill.

I think most coaches actually would back their players with only occasional tweaks that's why you need strong administrators around them to make hard choices so the coach can continue to back his players while the club makes the changes. I think for 30 years our club has been weak in that sup[port. all coaches need - for the club to make the hard calls - whether that be at the end of the season or even week to week with team selection.


We dropped the ball Danny ...... like you say ..... the club needs to make the hard calls. It's been a putrid 30 years.


A putrid 30 years and we still hand over our hard earned in record numbers . How lucky is our Football Club . Such loyal and devoted members .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 11:10 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
Navy One wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
hang on Brisbane have made significant changes addressing list needs continually - to me this has been Carlton's issue (well one of them) they havet hought the side needs "tweaking" (or worse, we have the side now change the coach) not addressing significant issues - great clubs bite the bullet and address the issues - I finally feel like we may have done that!


Back in the day Danny, as you well know, we were very good at topping up or tweaking the list to continue the path to Glory. A few examples are Perovic, Wells, Rhys-Jones, Williams, Spalding .....


back in the day was 30 years ago!

we need to move into this day!

Parkin did let the genie out of the bag - it was his skill.

I think most coaches actually would back their players with only occasional tweaks that's why you need strong administrators around them to make hard choices so the coach can continue to back his players while the club makes the changes. I think for 30 years our club has been weak in that sup[port. all coaches need - for the club to make the hard calls - whether that be at the end of the season or even week to week with team selection.


Hit nail on head. Better late than never never.

The wake up call we needed. Typically the panic stricken, shell shocked supporters could only join the media hysteria and blame the coach this year coz the rest of the club’s shit doesn’t stink, when in fact, when you looked closer ,and apart from injury, internally you could see some of the lame efforts from highly paid players, whose managers wagged them, did not encourage a beast to play in unison with the rest of the team, to encourage aggression and power of the mind to win. Instead some players had marketing, retirement and power agendas leading them.

The first decade of the new millennia, we were shell shocked: the Stockholm variety. We did think the Meesiah, a great coach would fix things, but the list had aged and the tail did wag the dog. Bradley SOS and Camo held the club to ransom, and SOS did since we bowed to his demands threatening to go to the Hawks in the mid 80’s.

The next decade, we lo9ked for another Messiah, Judd, to lead the highly prized No 1 picks, but took a long time to wake up from that dream, and left it to a novice from nepotism baby GWS as The Messiah to fix the list for sustained success. What was said to only take 66 games, never eventuated. Just because SOS said it would take 66 days doesn’t mean he will. That’s politics. He didn’t have a track record. He was the Messiah. More like Judas. He was allowed to serve out his contract. Never was sacked. But the thing the club freaked out with was that he would deliberately sabotage the list in spite and wasn’t allowed to control selections. We dodged an another bullet not reconstructing him.

This decade we have no excuses. Nevertheless some continued the hysteria generated by the click addicted media and blamed Old Carlton, the Board, the S&G , the List Manager, the coach and never was the character of SOS selections questioned. We didn’t change the list enough to keep improving and let the entitled wag the club and mislead the supporters, because SOS said his List would give us sustained success.

It has taken half a decade to realise we must look outside for the best performers: Cook Wright Davies, and question the commitment and character of the players. I’ve heard from a player, not long on the list, how entitled a few players were, and they were called out. Now those players are gone or on the periphery. We hold the cards, and players and their managers have been read the riot act. If you want to deal with Carlton, do it with respect. We are a giant who provided giant marketing opportunities for its players. Take it, and play to win for the jumper it fk off and look for someone else’s bank account for your retirement.

Ironically, we are still looking over our shoulder to see what Judas, SOS may do to ruin Carlton moreso than help Saints, such is the weirdness of this guy ( nothing like Serge) targeting our KPs TDK and SOS, and possibly calling out Deans name at pick 5 when he’s a pick 15.

Against that backdrop, we have identified and weeded out the traitors.Players! We are witnessing the new Carlton. It started before Wright came, but he’s just laid it bare, and written the law for fairness, t
Honour the jumper and success: Finals AND Flags.

Our window will be kicked open regardless of what the Stockholm damaged nervous Nellie’s think. Nothing will be good enough for them till we win a flag. Therefore they won’t enjoy the ride towards that elusive 17th flag. Why not enjoy the ride of hope, and give the club and Voss a chance with this newfound mindset, standard, youth, and existing stars. Every trade this year will serve a purpose, at the very least give us depth.

Things can change pretty quick. Don’t believe they can’t. Have a look at recent history. Teams bottom 4 jump to Finals and Flags. Only Cats have kept their ship steady. But there’s reasons beyond the rules working for them.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 11:21 am 
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BlueJean wrote:
Just need to piss of McKay ….after Curnow. Doc was one that needed to go. Jury still out on Cripps as a leader. Make Weitering captain or wait a year for Walsh to get body right then make him captain. There is no I in team. Carlton needs to eat that mantra for breakfast. Piss off Saad McGovern and Williams too. Then we are getting somewhere!


Yet another rebuild? No thanks


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 11:33 am 
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Can’t wait to see what we do before the draft with:

Pick 8 TDK compo
Pick 9/21 SOS compo pick
Pick 3, or 5 for one of our mids

If SOS pick is 9, it’s ample to couple that with 8, to get a contracted mid we druel for.

Add that No 1 super mid to
Cripps/ Hewett mix on inside mix
Walsh and Smith inside outside

If Swans or GCs can give us another super mid/ wing/ KPF plus pick 6/10/or 14 they can have Charlie. Despite that he is happy to stay and give his all to Carlton (or else), and keep his manager controlled. That’s our decision, not his or his manager’s

We use pick 14 or 21 to match Judas bid on Dean or use a later pick….we may get for Motlop, Gov, or a combo with the 2 pick 4 picks we have.

That’s just the big boys.

TDK replaced by up and coming Reidy and with O,Keefe and Pitto we haven’t got $1.6M tied to ruck
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Pitto No 1 ruck, OKeefe and Harry KPFs, and Reidy as the player who could have a breakthrough. He never had a chance ar Freo with Jackson and Darcy rucking and the 3 KPFs at Freo. He has it all in front of him at Carlton.

Can’t wait to watch Reidy $400k 25yo vs TDK $1.8M 26yo on one leg go at it. Penny will drop.

Kharmis for F3 takes 3rd tall whist Dean develops
Haynes at CHB filling for HOF or we trade in a surprise

Chesser and Petrucelli costing us a 4th rounder giving us speed

Now I wonder which AA mids wings are under contract who we could snag.

Go for it.

Of course I
M loving the Wright Carlton and couldn’t give a stuff what Mr Cloudy day thinks about Carlton

Window is open. You saw what improvement the return of one injured player did for us in Walsh. Now add the rest of the injured and unfit in season 2025

Happy Fatgers Day as I type in bed with my brekky and. Cab sav in hand :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 12:19 pm 
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Of all the things that would have my bottom lip on the floor, trading anything for Buku Khamis would be on the podium.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Crusader wrote:
Of all the things that would have my bottom lip on the floor, trading anything for Buku Khamis would be on the podium.


He's still under contract for 2026, so you might have to clean that floor. I'm definitely in the 'for' camp for bringing Baku across the Maribyrnong. I wouldn't part with much, but there's no doubt he's talented and if put in the one position, I'm confident he'll surprise a few. The Bulldogs never allowed him to settle anywhere. Probably a more natural forward for mine as he's only 189cm. I'd do a straight Mitch McGovern swap. Win/win.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 2:36 pm 
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Bondi. Who is this mid we are trading for pick 3 or 5. I can’t think of any mids that we have worth that much except for Cripps or Walsh.


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Smith? :D


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Drewgirl wrote:
Bondi. Who is this mid we are trading for pick 3 or 5. I can’t think of any mids that we have worth that much except for Cripps or Walsh.

It will be our most expendable mid


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sinbagger wrote:
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Bondi. Who is this mid we are trading for pick 3 or 5. I can’t think of any mids that we have worth that much except for Cripps or Walsh.

It will be our most expendable mid
Jaxon Binns for pick 3 do it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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GWS wrote:
I’m guessing you meant to write psychologically but if he’s been sooking it up in the change rooms then psychologically it’ll be a relief for a number of them.

The number one issue at the club since 1995 has been an entitlement mindset of the players.

I love David Parkin but he let that genie out of the bottle.

If Graeme Wright can end that we can’t pay him enough.

The club is bigger than you you overpaid little mother.flowers.

Suck it up.


Yes ... typo :razz:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 7:34 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
Bondi. Who is this mid we are trading for pick 3 or 5. I can’t think of any mids that we have worth that much except for Cripps or Walsh.

It will be our most expendable mid
Jaxon Binns for pick 3 do it.

Pick 3 in the MSD

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bondiblue wrote:
Pick 3, or 5 for one of our mids

If we were going to get pick #3 or #5 for Cerra then we would have to give something back in return.

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Humpers wrote:
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Pick 3, or 5 for one of our mids

If we were going to get pick #3 or #5 for Cerra then we would have to give something back in return.


Motlop


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