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 Post subject: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 12:50 am 
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Jones was a significant loss no doubt our defense structure has been unsteady and threatened ever since. We gave pick 1 to secure one.
A capable , quality tall defender is as rare as hen’s teeth. Let’s keep our fingers crossed we get to use pick 38, we need some luck with this one.


weitering went pick 1 bc he was exceptional as a junior. captained vic country(?) to 6 wins 0 losses i think he said in the story about him on blues website posted this week.

we don’t need another defender with Weiterings exceptional bulk, marking and game reading ability. we need one with genuine height/reach in marking contests against the 1st or 2nd KPF (or resting ruck) but who’s more much more mobile and has the endurance and athleticism to repel fast breaks on his own if required. Also as a genuine option for a bit more run out D50 (Lizard Blakey kinda thing).

remember when teams worked out us giving it to Saad all the time at 30 to 40 metres away from our defensive goal and Saad running with 3 bounces. oppo tacticians put time into corralling Saad bc it was our number 1 tactical alternative to bombs down the line all the way to the forward arc. that forced Saad to run sideways too often. and a few weeks later that was that, we were worked out and it became a twice a game kind of option not three times a quarter. either our defenders stopped looking for him all the time or we told not to go to him unless he was “one out” in a paddock on the wing.

but you can’t devise a plan to corral three or four genuine runners in the back 6 for the whole game. so Saad, Cowan(?) and pick 38 all take turns at it. to be more unpredictable they all get to take it on. if a go to matchup emerges on the day, all good play it.

Newman can have five steps before using his great vision. if some defenders can carry and run a bit more, Boyd then gets more of a chance to get free of his forward and be in the right place (switch or inboard/outside) for the sideways or slightly backwards lay-off. instead of being crunched by a 6 foot forward he’s found a bit of space with time to deliver it properly, which given time and space he will..

seems like the two i mentioned previously are that kind of KDF. there’s others in this draft too. the lucky thing for us is the depth of middle field talent may mean that the talented KPD slide more than they usually might in the draft. we probably won’t get the one of the best five KPD (some of whom can play forward and kick goals so are considered as swingmen or KPFs) but we might get what we need.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:16 am 
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I hope we dont end up with Jagga Smith for our pick 3. Ide be very unexcited if that happens


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Bluetears wrote:
I hope we dont end up with Jagga Smith for our pick 3. Ide be very unexcited if that happens


Why? He is clearly identified as one of the 5 elite midfielders in this draft, whom those in the know say nothing splits them.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:28 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Bluetears wrote:
I hope we dont end up with Jagga Smith for our pick 3. Ide be very unexcited if that happens


Why? He is clearly identified as one of the 5 elite midfielders in this draft, whom those in the know say nothing splits them.


Do we need another small midfielder? We just dumped a top pick possible upcoming midfielder in carrol, just dumped kennedy, cos no need for them with others we have. I.m.o. all the other top 5 prospects are a better fit for what we need.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:38 pm 
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Bluetears wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Bluetears wrote:
I hope we dont end up with Jagga Smith for our pick 3. Ide be very unexcited if that happens


Why? He is clearly identified as one of the 5 elite midfielders in this draft, whom those in the know say nothing splits them.


Do we need another small midfielder? We just dumped a top pick possible upcoming midfielder in carrol, just dumped kennedy, cos no need for them with others we have. I.m.o. all the other top 5 prospects are a better fit for what we need.


OK Bluetears, so who would u pick and why?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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I know it's VFL - but just read from that Paul Amy fella that we have got Frankie Evans ex-Port. I thought he was pretty stiff to get cut this year - hope we have brought him in to have a good look at him with a view to mid-season draft

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Bluetears wrote:
I hope we dont end up with Jagga Smith for our pick 3. Ide be very unexcited if that happens


But nobody else moves like Jagga

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
Bluetears wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Bluetears wrote:
I hope we dont end up with Jagga Smith for our pick 3. Ide be very unexcited if that happens


Why? He is clearly identified as one of the 5 elite midfielders in this draft, whom those in the know say nothing splits them.


Do we need another small midfielder? We just dumped a top pick possible upcoming midfielder in carrol, just dumped kennedy, cos no need for them with others we have. I.m.o. all the other top 5 prospects are a better fit for what we need.


OK Bluetears, so who would u pick and why?


Personally i would love to land Langford. I think he would be versatile, and would give us extra options. If we get a midfielder i doubt he will be much use this year in the seniors


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Bluetears wrote:
I hope we dont end up with Jagga Smith for our pick 3. Ide be very unexcited if that happens



lol ... how come?

he's a kid who's ceiling is as high as nick daicos, with his baseline somewhere comparable to zak butters. inside/ outside with run and polish.

i'm all in on him, tbh

langford and cripps are essentially the same player. cripps probably still has another 3 quality years left in the tank. so that would stunt langford's growth, bcos he's not going to be set loose in the middle to compete for one ball with cripps?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:21 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Bluetears wrote:
I hope we dont end up with Jagga Smith for our pick 3. Ide be very unexcited if that happens



lol ... how come?

he's a kid who's ceiling is as high as nick daicos, with his baseline somewhere comparable to zak butters. inside/ outside with run and polish.

i'm all in on him, tbh

langford and cripps are essentially the same player. cripps probably still has another 3 quality years left in the tank. so that would stunt langford's growth, bcos he's not going to be set loose in the middle to compete for one ball with cripps?


Nothing wrong with another Patrick Cripps. Ide rather another cripps than a Z. Butters or N. Daicos without hesitation. Theres not much chance of Jagga getting solid midfield time this year as much as if it where Langford or anyone else unless we have midfielder injuries. I was thinking with Langford, he could possibly play Hb or hf as an alternative for now.
Anyway,, we'll find out who it is tommorow


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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I’m a Langford fan. I think he’ll be the best of the lot but surely someone like me with limited years of viewing wouldn’t be right, so time will tell. I also like the look of Reid. I think he would have been perfect for us at 11, if we held on to it.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Agree Reid will surprise a few, a superb midfielder will be steal if falls outside the top 10 and Langford is probably the the best choice, after Ashcroft and FOS , Harvey is a very we’ll rounded , talented midfielder.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Bluetears wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Bluetears wrote:
I hope we dont end up with Jagga Smith for our pick 3. Ide be very unexcited if that happens


Why? He is clearly identified as one of the 5 elite midfielders in this draft, whom those in the know say nothing splits them.


Do we need another small midfielder? We just dumped a top pick possible upcoming midfielder in carrol, just dumped kennedy, cos no need for them with others we have. I.m.o. all the other top 5 prospects are a better fit for what we need.


Are you really comparing Carroll with Smith?

Carroll was possibly an upcoming midfielder but unless the ball fell into his hands (see round 1) or ball given to him in the clear he is a passenger….he’s now at the retread factory at Saints for good reason.

Smith makes things happen. Confident in his ability. Catch him if you can.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:03 pm 
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Bluetears wrote:

Nothing wrong with another Patrick Cripps. Ide rather another cripps than a Z. Butters or N. Daicos without hesitation.


Whoa. Each to their own.
It’s how you feel.

I read this line a few times.
It’s an opinion.
I wouldn’t hesitate to suggest you’re on your own Bluetears.

I’d offer 2 first rounders for either Daicos or Butters.

I don’t think 2 of Cripps would work as well as you think it would.
We don’t need more big bodied bulls in the middle.
Agresta and Austin tell us blatantly we need speed.

Butters and Daicos are difficult to catch let alone stop, and a lot faster than Cripps.
They have weapons Cripps doesn’t possess. Both AA at an earlier age than Cripps.

Cripps
Cripps ( to replace big bodied Kennedy and Carroll)
Hewett
Walsh
Cerra

Are you disappointed we traded Kennedy and Carroll?

Looks good, on paper… to opposition supporters, such is the intimidation factor of Cripps, but as a Carlton supporter I can also see a lot wrong with that.

Firstly, you can’t have 2 Cripps, but I get what you’re saying, so I’m surprised you don’t prefer Smillie who is a 195cm midfielder with 10 years ahead of him in the midfield.

I’ve got a feeling Daicos and Butters will be playing AFL longer than Smillie and Langford too.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Jagga's U18 Champ Highlights are ridiculous. Nick Daicos like

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Jagga's U18 Champ Highlights are ridiculous. Nick Daicos like



he's a jet huh!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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CK95 wrote:
You must be happy Braithy!



over the moon mate ... he is exactly what we need thru the middle. slick, creative, quick, agile, seems to have eyes in he back of his head. and kicks an arrow.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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I know, I was just saying to a mate I kept hearing he was the least exciting of the lot, but then when I watch his highlights, I can't see why people would say that.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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I hope we dont end up with Jagga Smith for our pick 3. Ide be very unexcited if that happens


He can't be a man because he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me!

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