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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:15 pm 
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I think one amusing aspect of 2025 will be, Geelong eyeing TDK.
And Carlton eyeing SDK.


I’d want a sweetener if we’re to do that trade…

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Braithy
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:21 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
I think this is about right…

[3] Key Defenders: Weitering, Young (ruck), S.Durdin
[2] Tall Defenders: Haynes, Kemp (fwd)
[3] Medium Defenders: Newman, Cowan, M.Carroll
[3] Small Defenders: Saad, Boyd, Wilson (mid)
[4] Wing: Acres, O.Hollands, Binns, L.Camporeale (def)
[3] Ruck: Pittonet, De Koning, O’Keeffe
[3] Defensive Mid: Hewett, Lord, Cincotta
[2] Inside Mid: Cripps, J.Carroll (def)
[4] General Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Docherty (def), B.Camporeale
[3] Mid Forwards: E.Hollands, Williams (def), Cottrell (wing)
[4] Medium Forwards: McGovern (def), Moir, Monahan, Duffy
[4] Small Forwards: Fogarty (mid), Fantasia, Motlop, C.Durdin (mid)
[4] Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay, Silvagni (ruck), Lemmey

P: 35 (+ 2 picks)
R(a): 5
R(b): 2

Deletions:
P: Marchbank, Cuningham, Martin, Owies, Kennedy
R(a): Mirkov
R(b): Akuei

Additions:
P: B.Camporeale, L.Camporeale, Haynes, Pick 3, Pick 38
R(a): Lord
R(b): Duffy


is Lord more of an inside mid, than defensive one? he's so clean and creative with his hands and he gets his ball. imo he has a bit of cripps about him the way he extracts it.
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DocSherrin III
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:23 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Honestly, if that’s the truth, tough @#$%&! tiddies!


Highly unlikely it's the truth. That's not to say difficult conversations aren't had at exit interviews, but petulance is a one-way ticket out of a footy club. In all likelihood, he's probably countered with 3 Our Fathers and 5 Hail Marys.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:30 pm 
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A Victim mindset says... I didnt play because coach doesnt like me.

A winning mindset says... I didnt play because i havent earned it yet.

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aboynamedsue
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:12 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
I think this is about right…

[3] Key Defenders: Weitering, Young (ruck), S.Durdin
[2] Tall Defenders: Haynes, Kemp (fwd)
[3] Medium Defenders: Newman, Cowan, M.Carroll
[3] Small Defenders: Saad, Boyd, Wilson (mid)
[4] Wing: Acres, O.Hollands, Binns, L.Camporeale (def)
[3] Ruck: Pittonet, De Koning, O’Keeffe
[3] Defensive Mid: Hewett, Lord, Cincotta
[2] Inside Mid: Cripps, J.Carroll (def)
[4] General Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Docherty (def), B.Camporeale
[3] Mid Forwards: E.Hollands, Williams (def), Cottrell (wing)
[4] Medium Forwards: McGovern (def), Moir, Monahan, Duffy
[4] Small Forwards: Fogarty (mid), Fantasia, Motlop, C.Durdin (mid)
[4] Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay, Silvagni (ruck), Lemmey

P: 35 (+ 2 picks)
R(a): 5
R(b): 2

Deletions:
P: Marchbank, Cuningham, Martin, Owies, Kennedy
R(a): Mirkov
R(b): Akuei

Additions:
P: B.Camporeale, L.Camporeale, Haynes, Pick 3, Pick 38
R(a): Lord
R(b): Duffy


Who are the 5 x R(a)? Is it Boyd, M.Carroll, Cincotta, S.Dudin & HOK? Don’t we have to promote Boyd & Cincotta to the primary list?

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Crusader
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:25 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
I think this is about right…

[3] Key Defenders: Weitering, Young (ruck), S.Durdin
[2] Tall Defenders: Haynes, Kemp (fwd)
[3] Medium Defenders: Newman, Cowan, M.Carroll
[3] Small Defenders: Saad, Boyd, Wilson (mid)
[4] Wing: Acres, O.Hollands, Binns, L.Camporeale (def)
[3] Ruck: Pittonet, De Koning, O’Keeffe
[3] Defensive Mid: Hewett, Lord, Cincotta
[2] Inside Mid: Cripps, J.Carroll (def)
[4] General Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Docherty (def), B.Camporeale
[3] Mid Forwards: E.Hollands, Williams (def), Cottrell (wing)
[4] Medium Forwards: McGovern (def), Moir, Monahan, Duffy
[4] Small Forwards: Fogarty (mid), Fantasia, Motlop, C.Durdin (mid)
[4] Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay, Silvagni (ruck), Lemmey

P: 35 (+ 2 picks)
R(a): 5
R(b): 2

Deletions:
P: Marchbank, Cuningham, Martin, Owies, Kennedy
R(a): Mirkov
R(b): Akuei

Additions:
P: B.Camporeale, L.Camporeale, Haynes, Pick 3, Pick 38
R(a): Lord
R(b): Duffy


Who are the 5 x R(a)? Is it Boyd, M.Carroll, Cincotta, S.Dudin & HOK? Don’t we have to promote Boyd & Cincotta to the primary list?

Lord - 2024 MSD, three* years remaining.
M.Carroll - 2023 RD, two* years remaining.
Cincotta - 2023 SSP, one year remaining.
O’Keeffe - 2023 SSP, one* year remaining.
S.Durdin - 2022 MSD, one year remaining.

* there is an allowance for a 4th & 5th year, if the player is under the games limit attached to each of those years.

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Mickstar
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:38 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
I think next year is the real clean up.

Williams, McGovern - Stay injury prone and out. Or at the very least much lower contracts.
Fantasia, Young, Durdin, Cottrell, Motlop. Few of those to go.
We potentially reduce the contract for Saad.
And Cerra - Who knows. Will he remain injury prone. If so I would move him on. Hope his issues will be fixed though as we need his point of difference.

Potentially Docherty to retire, or we reduce his contract too. Not sure how much he is paid.

And please please Carlton resign TDK. And TDK dont play hard to get mate and be reasonable.

Then Walsh i guess as well.


Yep , getting TDK and Walsh signed up hopefully is top of our priority list DG .

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Braithy
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:46 pm 
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i hope walsh and his back gets back to where he should be - in the convo of the best pure mid in the comp. i'd happily pay him then.

if he misses anotehr 6+ weeks with the back ... i'm not sure where that leaves the club and sammy in regard to his actual worth.
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DesEnglish
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:15 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
i hope walsh and his back gets back to where he should be - in the convo of the best pure mid in the comp. i'd happily pay him then.

if he misses anotehr 6+ weeks with the back ... i'm not sure where that leaves the club and sammy in regard to his actual worth.


Agree, was having a similar conversation with someone who gleefully points out our high priced long term contracts at every opportunity.

Also, can we really afford another player in that price bracket? It is starting to erode our depth now
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Mickstar
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Braithy wrote:
i hope walsh and his back gets back to where he should be - in the convo of the best pure mid in the comp. i'd happily pay him then.

if he misses anotehr 6+ weeks with the back ... i'm not sure where that leaves the club and sammy in regard to his actual worth.


I"d say that leaves the Club and Sam in deep shit . In saying that I believe back problems can be overcome in these modern medicine times . That's what I'm hoping .

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aboynamedsue
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:41 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
I think this is about right…

[3] Key Defenders: Weitering, Young (ruck), S.Durdin
[2] Tall Defenders: Haynes, Kemp (fwd)
[3] Medium Defenders: Newman, Cowan, M.Carroll
[3] Small Defenders: Saad, Boyd, Wilson (mid)
[4] Wing: Acres, O.Hollands, Binns, L.Camporeale (def)
[3] Ruck: Pittonet, De Koning, O’Keeffe
[3] Defensive Mid: Hewett, Lord, Cincotta
[2] Inside Mid: Cripps, J.Carroll (def)
[4] General Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Docherty (def), B.Camporeale
[3] Mid Forwards: E.Hollands, Williams (def), Cottrell (wing)
[4] Medium Forwards: McGovern (def), Moir, Monahan, Duffy
[4] Small Forwards: Fogarty (mid), Fantasia, Motlop, C.Durdin (mid)
[4] Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay, Silvagni (ruck), Lemmey

P: 35 (+ 2 picks)
R(a): 5
R(b): 2

Deletions:
P: Marchbank, Cuningham, Martin, Owies, Kennedy
R(a): Mirkov
R(b): Akuei

Additions:
P: B.Camporeale, L.Camporeale, Haynes, Pick 3, Pick 38
R(a): Lord
R(b): Duffy


Who are the 5 x R(a)? Is it Boyd, M.Carroll, Cincotta, S.Dudin & HOK? Don’t we have to promote Boyd & Cincotta to the primary list?

Lord - 2024 MSD, three* years remaining.
M.Carroll - 2023 RD, two* years remaining.
Cincotta - 2023 SSP, one year remaining.
O’Keeffe - 2023 SSP, one* year remaining.
S.Durdin - 2022 MSD, one year remaining.

* there is an allowance for a 4th & 5th year, if the player is under the games limit attached to each of those years.

OK thanks for that.

I think J.Carroll & S.Durdin don’t have contracts for next season yet. Apparently GWS are poised to swoop on J.Carroll as a DFA. Hopefully we find a way to retain him but list spots are very tight.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:18 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
We didn't win anything with Owies and Kennedy on the list.


but we did win two wizard cups with t-bird and houlahan on the list

no relevance, just sayin....

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bmaurizio wrote:
Agree we’ve lost flexibility and some talent for very little return, whilst S. Durdin & Fantasias remain on the list. Let’s hope there’s a mini clean up yet.


fantasia is contracted, and if the salary cap is so tight we probably cant afford to pay him out

why sam durdin is still on the list is very hard to fathom

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:44 pm 
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bender wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Agree we’ve lost flexibility and some talent for very little return, whilst S. Durdin & Fantasias remain on the list. Let’s hope there’s a mini clean up yet.


fantasia is contracted, and if the salary cap is so tight we probably cant afford to pay him out

why sam durdin is still on the list is very hard to fathom

He’s the bird in hand. Same boat as a couple dozen others around the league, waiting for the October 31 deadline.

Give it a fortnight & if he’s still on the list, go your hardest.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:55 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:

Who are the 5 x R(a)? Is it Boyd, M.Carroll, Cincotta, S.Dudin & HOK? Don’t we have to promote Boyd & Cincotta to the primary list?

Lord - 2024 MSD, three* years remaining.
M.Carroll - 2023 RD, two* years remaining.
Cincotta - 2023 SSP, one year remaining.
O’Keeffe - 2023 SSP, one* year remaining.
S.Durdin - 2022 MSD, one year remaining.

* there is an allowance for a 4th & 5th year, if the player is under the games limit attached to each of those years.

OK thanks for that.

I think J.Carroll & S.Durdin don’t have contracts for next season yet. Apparently GWS are poised to swoop on J.Carroll as a DFA. Hopefully we find a way to retain him but list spots are very tight.

Christ on a bike…

What’s gotten into his head there? If there wasn’t enough cauliflower at GWS, they went and got themselves one more. Back to Perth, or even another Vic club, I could understand. But, no amount of money is worth living & working, surrounded by that.

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i think us getting pick three and another premium mid, along with lord. carroll's papers are stamped, outta here.
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Crusader
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Losing Kennedy from the group should earn him a reprieve - if he’s willing to sign for 1+1.

We couldn’t possibly be that hard up against the cap? We’ve been going with the bare minimum on the primary list for a while now… at worst, a net gain of $1.5m with four first year contracts plus Haynes. Williams, Saad & Cerra wouldn’t - shouldn’t - be getting a bump from the TPP increase…

I think we’re BIG players in free agency next year.

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Weideman has been delisted now, I still think he'd be a better depth defender than Durdin.

https://x.com/CalTwomey/status/1847060066513703181
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GreatEx wrote:
Potato potahto... either way it's a spud

Ahhhh.......but it's a spud that is not injured.
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